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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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  2. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Some managers get paid the remaining due on their contract when sacked, that's why the club they leave has the right to expect them to honour that contract until expiry.
    I made this simple for you so it might sink in.
     
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  3. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    A form of gardening leave.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Feel free to name seven of them

    Not so simple, is it...?
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't want him in charge at all if he didn't think that
     
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  7. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    Seen a couple of rumours that Nagelsmann is closer than ever to taking the job. No idea if true. But interesting that Levy may have woken up to the idea that getting this sealed and announced in good time is a) important so we can actually define the future direction of the club to players, and fans, and b) getting ahead of the optics around Chelsea confirming Poch.

    As for his suitability as a coach, I have some concerns around him, but there’s no perfect candidate and I do think he is the right mix of up-and-coming (still, despite the Bayern job) but a big enough name to signal intent to any star players looking to jump ship.
     
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  8. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    I voted for Nagelsmann but like you, I’ve reservations. We need someone who will be here for the long term but I suspect he won’t be a long termer.

    The likes of Real Madrid will be sniffing around him and the lure of paying for a “prestigious” club will be hard to resist for the likes of Nagelsmann. I suspect the club should be downplaying its aspirations with regards to its next manager and focus on rebuilding the squad.
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Bild (the proper half) is sort of suggesting Nagelsmann is inching closer, yet doing so by repeating the snippets of information we already heard already (i.e. he won't move until the end of the season, and he wants a say in transfers)
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think you could probably find pros and cons with every single manager in the game to be honest. Poch is the best manager we’ve had in my life time and yet I could easily pick out double figures worth of faults during his tenure but that’s massively outweighed by his positives.

    Where I feel we’re quite “lucky” at the moment is that there’s a bunch of progressive managers who I think the majority would be interested in coming to us (despite the current **** show). It’s then just sorting through who perhaps has a slight edge on the rest but as myself and some others have said, there’s probably a good 6-7 managers I’d be very happy to have on board. Even though Nagelsmann was my first pick, I’d be just as excited and behind the appointments of Slot, Poch, Frank, De Zerbi etc too. We shouldn’t be able to **** our next appointment up like we did with Nuno.

    I just hope that if it is Nagelsmann - or whoever - we really do give them the time and backing. We’re not a quick fix job at the moment, more so with the uncertainty over our star player.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Rangnick’s been sort of hyping us up to Nagelsmann, saying we’ve got a great stadium and facilities and that if we really want him we should have a sporting director to support him.

    Wonder if he’s trying to put himself forward for the role? Nagelsmann under Rangnick would be quite a pairing, Rangnick’s managerial career isn’t much to brag about but his reputation as a DoF is one of the best in the game.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Take this with a bag of Penn State Pretzels' worth of salt, but Sky Germany claim that Ralf Rangnick has advised Nagelsmann to take the Spurs job
     
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  13. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    What’s so good about Ragnick?

    what’s he unearthed?

    I’m underwhelmed with DOFs on the whole

    I mean someone is going to find a player for a club

    so why is Ragnick a cut above many others?
     
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  14. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    He was DoF for Red Bull and was involved in signing players like Haaland, Mane, Keita, Upamecano, Poulsen for one or both of RB’s European clubs. Signed some decent players when at Hoffenheim too.

    Plus a lot of elite German coaches right now like Tuchel, Klopp and Nageslmann are said to have been influenced by his tactics and philosophy.

    From a managerial perspective he ain’t so great but from a DoF one I’d say he’s up there with Monchi, Zorc, Campos, Edwards, Mitchell etc. We actually got linked with Monchi last week too but I think the source was weak.
     
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  15. The Huddlefro

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    The whole Rangnick/Nagelsmann combo is doubly intriguing, especially as the former was a big part of the buildup of the RB club network, and Scott Munn did similar for City Group in Asia. If we’re looking to adopt something similar to that model then it might go some way to solving some of the pathway and development problems we’ve seen from academy to first team in recent years.

    That said I’m not a massive fan of buying up teams in other leagues but you could equally do it with a network of clubs who you offer players to on long-term loans or sales with buyback options.

    But the key thing is installing an idea of how football is played from the top to the bottom of the club. It’s weird how none of the youth teams ever played 3atb (I believe). Can’t have helped the pathway, not that Conte was necessarily going to use young players.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    What he can do is build a complete structure at a club from first team to youth team, which is why he has a track record of youth coaches becoming manager, for example Nagelsmann was a youth coach at Hoffenheim when Rangnick was manager - while the likes of Marco Rose, Roger Schmidt, and Oliver Glasner were in charge of Mosnter Energy Dusseldorf's developmental side (otherwise known as G Fuel Vienna) when Rangnick was running the Taurine Empire operations

    He also has a remarkable eye for young talent to play in the system he installs, with Erling Haaland and Josko Gvardiol the obvious highlights but there's also the likes of Naby Keita, Konrad Laimer, Lukas Klostermann, Amadou Haidara, Peter Gulacsi, Yussuf Poulsen and Willi Orban who he's identified and brought in to be nurtured from clubs or even leagues that so many scouts don;t even pay attention to
     
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    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    On thing worth mentioning is that Paratici did appear to build a framework to bridge the gap between Academy and First Team in the past eighteen months, but that's not going to be immediately visible as our academy is divvied up into three rough groups
    - The group who got stuck behind the wall between Academy and First Team (Troy Parrott, Harvey White, Jamie Bowden, Kallum Cesay)
    - The group who will get some benefit from the restructuring but only a year or two (Alfie Devine, Dane Scarlett, Maksim Paskotsi, Yago Santiago)
    - The group who will likely benefit from the restructuring (Jamie Donley, Jude Soonsup-Bell, Oliver Irow, Mikey Moore, Will Lankshear)

    Of course, today's hit piece in The Pathetic didn't realise this, even though Alasdair Gold brings it up regularly enough...
     
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    Isn’t Scott Munn going to be a Board member with overall responsibility for the football side? That is, more senior than a DOF? I believe, I could be wrong, that Munn will be appointing a DOF if he deems one being a necessity.
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    You just have to look at the Sheikh Mansour Team structure to see how it could (possibly...) work, as they have Ferran Soriano as CEO and Txiki Begiristain as DoF, and it works as Soriano is part of the corporate hierarchy while Txiki is part of the footballing hierarchy - and it does have to be said this does appear to have been by design, as Soriano joined in September 2012 and Txiki the following month

    Juventus also ran with a similar structure for a few years, with Giuseppe Marotta as Sporting General Manager while Fabio Paratici was Sporting Director

    Of course, this does demonstrate there's potential clashes with such a system: at Juve it was Paratici effectively shanking Marotta to take his job, while at The Sheikh Mansour Team there's definitely been times where Soriano has stepped on Txiki's toes such as when Soriano made the call to sack Roberto Mancini, or how Soriano was caught tapping-up Barca coaches and players, the latter of which in particular is going over Txiki's head
     
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