Most people will not be aware of the acceptability of both forms. It's not a hanging offence if you don't know - that's what education is all about !
Joking aside, I would hope that he is not allowed to attain any reflected glory if we do win it. It's a City thing.
It's Londonderry. Presumably anyone who thinks it's called Derry wouldn't want to be recognised as part of the UK anyway. Saw the Leicester spokesgay on Breakfast time this morning. Even he didn't seem to believe the blurb he was droning abiut diversity and different cultures. I think both Swansea and Dundee are both stronger choices than Lesster, but ultimately we may win it on the underdog vote (the candidate who would benefit the most and who is underrated nationally. I don't know of desire has anything to do with it, but we seem it to want it more from what I've read/seen. Is that a factor in the decision?
I just googled it to find out because I thought the decision was being made today (20th it's announced) and found this on wikipedia. It's obviously no use, but I found the idea it was this simple amusing: "he winner of the 2017 title will be announced on November 20, 2013. Phil Redmond is to be deciding the winner, he will choose the city he is most interested in."
We've got a beautiful city. Shame it's mostly full of idiots. City of culture and they're giving it to the river? I don't get it!
I think their bid is pretty dead in the water thanks to the independence referendum. I can't see anything other than a no vote winning, but can they really run the risk of the UK City of Culture for 2017 being somewhere that isn't even part of the UK by then?
That's right - 4 provinces; 32 counties make up those 4 provinces, of which 6 are in the province of Ulster. Those 6 are Derry, Antrim, Down, Armagh, Fermanagh and Tyrone. Originally Ulster had another 3 counties - Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan, which were gerrymandered out of Ulster by the British, in order to give the rump 'Ulster' a permanent Protestant majority.
Actually,it is all about a lack of education. Especialy if someone believes both forms are acceptable. At least in Eire or Ulster.
Femanagh and Tyrone had Catholic majorities at the time of the division. It would be a good idea to rid ourselvesof the cost and letting them amalgamate, but apart from the potential trouble would Eire andots citizens want to be lumbered with the cost of Northern Ireland? The British? Do you mean "us" or aren't you British?
Both names are acceptable to me because I'm not influenced by religious bigots. Catholic or Protestant - no thanks I'd rather think for myself. I won't be contributing any more on this thread.
Perhaps Dundee will get it for political reasons. I see the rest of the UK bending over backwards to include and big up scotland all the time now to encourage a no vote.
Giving it to Dundee would probably encourage a Yes vote, the idea of taking the piss out of the UK for giving it's Capital of Culture award to a foreign city would be enough to get extra people (from the non-voters) voting that way, and I doubt any of the Yes voters would be swayed to No as a result.
I was also about to say that Dundee surely can't win it - they could possibly not even be part of the UK by 2017... ...but it appears Ricardo beat me to it.
* But the other 4 counties provided the majority. Then the 'Loyalists' made sure that that majority could not be overturned. ** It's normal to refer to 'the British' when speaking/writing purely historically, surely?
The winner gets an immediate £11 million pot of cash to spend. Then I'm certain it gets even more on the year of 2017. #HullYes has been trending worldwide today on Twitter. We want it more, but will that be enough to sway the judges?
Disconcertingly many folk on the vid are putting on their Sunday/job interview accent We are Herl instead of We are 'Ull.
Fair point, about using British historically. Just thought you may be somebody with an agenda, one of those who has never been to Ireland but have some distant Irish ancestors, like all those Yanks you see, and get all emotional when someone starts up with "We're all off to Dublin in the green...". Of course the Irish aren't unique in that regard but I have relatives in America and they find it hilarious on St Patrick's Day how the more tenuous the connection the more Irish the person affects to be.
Makes no difference to me either. Being older I find it more natural to call it Londonderry, nowt to do with religion or politics, but because that was the name I first knew. Same as I would think of Peking and Bombay instead of Beijing or Mumbai. My kids will be the opposite to me for the same reason.
