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In my time with the police 60s-90s serious incidents occurred and you knew you had the backing of your very senior officers providing you hadn't overstepped the mark performing your duties.
Now there doesn't seem any back up for these lads and as others have said they're **** scared of upsetting certain groups who shout the loudest when these things happen.
Don't know why anybody would want to join today's police service never mind volunteering to carry firearms.
 
I’d like to think that as a cop that carries a firearm, albeit not in the UK, I’m fairly well qualified to give an opinion here.
I know, as do my colleagues, that it is a huge responsibility that we undertake every day we take that firearm out of the armoury, load the magazines and prepare the weapon to be used. And by that I mean loading a magazine into the firearm and ‘cocking’ it, to use the vernacular, so a round is inserted into the chamber ready to be discharged.
None of us want to fire that gun in anger. That is a given, but when we took the oath we knew that was part of the job description and one we were willing to accept.
The taking of a human life should always be open to scrutiny and a very heavy one at that. The thing is, to aim the weapon and take the shot and in doing so likely kill someone is a very personal decision to make. I have to be certain that the person I’m shooting at is posing an imminent risk to the lives of others. So my thought process is my thought process. No-one else’s. I have to justify my actions. And I have to do all of that in the space of around two seconds. Things get muddied when all the other witnesses are spoken to and they describe what they saw. Then we have the ‘expert’ witnesses, professional and armchair, who will give their opinion. It’s been my experience that you can always find a witness who will confirm your theory.
When there is conflicting information, all of that has to be studied and analysed. It’s then up to the CPS, in England and Wales anyway, to then do the two tests. First it’s the evidentiary test. Is the evidence there? If the answer to the first question is yes they then ask, is it in the public interest to prosecute? If it is, it goes ahead through the courts. Now, it could be pulled at any time if the CPS believes that there is no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.
As an aside and especially for the armchair witnesses out there, I’ll just say that there is no such thing as shoot to kill. That’s what Captain Kirk says, but in real life it’s not a thing. We shoot to neutralise the threat. Neither do we shoot to wound or anything else equally as stupid. A round in the leg is capable of killing just as much as a round to the head, and we don’t take head shots either. That’s Dirty Harry and other pretend cops on the training range. It’s always centre of body mass which is essentially the chest/torso area.
Anyway, the bottom line is that when there is too much conflicting information it has to go to a court and the court decides. We aren’t immune to it here either. In the last few years there have been two cops charged with murder, one in WA, the other in the NT, and both of them were acquitted of all charges. What cops are more afraid of is the internal investigation that also goes on. We can always justify our actions in that respect out on the streets. What the rank and file don’t like is being investigated by their own, who some believe may have a not so impartial agenda. That is what causes the stress.
Anyway, I’ve rambled a bit, but I hope that kind of makes sense to anyone who reads it.
Brilliant post EJK, I was hoping you would have some input to this story.
 
In my time with the police 60s-90s serious incidents occurred and you knew you had the backing of your very senior officers providing you hadn't overstepped the mark performing your duties.
Now there doesn't seem any back up for these lads and as others have said they're **** scared of upsetting certain groups who shout the loudest when these things happen.
Don't know why anybody would want to join today's police service never mind volunteering to carry firearms.
Spot on Cumbrian <ok>
 
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Chris Kaba shot man in nightclub days before his death
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Chris Kaba was unarmed when he was shot and killed in south London in 2022

22nd October 2024, 11:13 BST

Updated 7 minutes ago
Chris Kaba, the man shot dead by a police firearms officer in south London, was named as the gunman in a nightclub shooting days before he died, it can now be reported.

Mr Kaba was shot in the head during an armed vehicle stop in Streatham on 5th September 2022.

It can now be reported that he shot a man in both legs at the Oval Space nightclub in Hackney, east London, on 30th August 2022.

He was a rapper who performed under the names Madix or Mad Itch and was part of the 67 gang, a UK drill group and infamous gang.

The jury in the murder trial of firearms officer Martyn Blake, 40, was not told about Mr Kaba’s criminal history, details of which were revealed in a pre-trial court hearing held last month.

Mr Blake was cleared of murder by a jury at the Old Bailey on Monday, a verdict Mr Kaba’s family said was "painful proof that our lives are not valued by the system".

The judge has now lifted reporting restrictions in place during the trial on details about Mr Kaba’s background.

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Floral tributes were left at Kirkstall Gardens where Chris Kaba was shot by a Met Police Officer

Police officers did not know who was driving the Audi on the night Mr Kaba died, but they did know it had been used as a getaway car in another shooting in Brixton, south London, the night before.

An automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) marker had been placed on the car, which alerted the police to it.

Mr Blake denied intending to kill the 24-year-old - who was not carrying a firearm - and told the trial he believed one of his colleagues could be killed by Mr Kaba’s car as he tried to get away from the police stop.


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Bodycam video shows moments before Chris Kaba shooting

Three other men have already been convicted over their involvement in the Hackney nightclub shooting and are in prison.

During their trial, Mr Kaba was named by the judge as the gunman. The judge said Mr Kaba shot the man once in the leg while on the nightclub dance floor, and once outside as the man tried to escape.

Mr Kaba died before being charged in connection with the shooting, but was later named on the charge sheet for the trial.

In April the three defendants were sentenced to 10 years, nine years, and five years and six months respectively.

During the trial of the firearms officer Mr Blake, reporting restrictions also prevented the media from publishing details of Mr Kaba’s other criminal involvement - including previous convictions dating back to his early teen years.

Those include convictions for affray.

Mr Kaba, a construction worker who was due to become a father, had been followed by police on the day he was shot.

After being boxed in by police cars, he drove backwards and forwards trying to ram his way free - Mr Blake said this made him believe one of his colleagues would be killed, and he opened fire to stop the car, the jury heard.

Mr Kaba died from a single gunshot wound to the forehead.

  • On Monday, Mr Kaba's family said they were devastated by the verdict, and that the acquittal of Mr Blake "wasn't just a failure for our family, but for all those affected by police violence".
About 150 people held a vigil outside the Old Bailey on Monday evening, some holding signs with slogans including "this is not justice" and "police are perpetrators".

Sheeda Queen, a cousin of Mr Kaba, and a member of the Justice for Chris campaign group, described "a deep pain of injustice, adding to the unbearable sorrow".

Another campaigner, Kayza Rose, said the outcome "reinforces the harsh reality that police can kill without consequence".

She added: "No-one can be safe while the police can kill with impunity.

"This verdict is not the end. It only strengthens our resolve.”

Another campaigner, Kayza Rose, said:
"No-one can be safe while the police can kill with impunity.”

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Yes love, that’s definitely what’s making the streets unsafe …

… you thick bigoted twat, now f*ck off.
 
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Another campaigner, Kayza Rose, said:
"No-one can be safe while the police can kill with impunity.”

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Yes love, that’s definitely what’s making the streets unsafe …

… you thick bigoted twat, now f*ck off.

The ****ing nerve!

Even not withstanding this guys history, if an average joe like myself was to suddenly be surrounded by armed police, asking me to leave the vehicle, and I was to use my car as a battering ram to make an escape and I was to catch a bullet between the eyes, I'd like to think that my family, though upset, would accept that I brought my demise on myself.

But to trot out with this police violence rhetoric, fully knowing that this guy was a gangster, whilst driving a car linked to a shooting, whilst being on the police radar about a nightclub shooting and god knows what else the police/family were aware and unaware of? If the police HAVE to get violent, these are the type of people I like to see being used for their target practice.
 
Another campaigner, Kayza Rose, said:
"No-one can be safe while the police can kill with impunity.”

<laugh>

Yes love, that’s definitely what’s making the streets unsafe …

… you thick bigoted twat, now f*ck off.
She’s basically saying that “ no criminal who possesses a fire arm is safe “. Even then , police don’t kill with impunity.
 
The ****ing nerve!

Even not withstanding this guys history, if an average joe like myself was to suddenly be surrounded by armed police, asking me to leave the vehicle, and I was to use my car as a battering ram to make an escape and I was to catch a bullet between the eyes, I'd like to think that my family, though upset, would accept that I brought my demise on myself.

But to trot out with this police violence rhetoric, fully knowing that this guy was a gangster, whilst driving a car linked to a shooting, whilst being on the police radar about a nightclub shooting and god knows what else the police/family were aware and unaware of? If the police HAVE to get violent, these are the type of people I like to see being used for their target practice.

OK, here we go, time to invite some flak from people but it's my honest opinion.

Whenever there's a death by knife or gun in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, etc, we always see 'the community' come out with flowers, teddy bears, candles and sob stories. OK, fair enough, someone has sadly died but that family and that community are often complicit in the criminality. Perhaps not directly but I'd bet the families are aware these people aren't going out to work every day and doing a normal job.

I'm sure they enjoy the presents, the holidays and the money that swills around. The 'community' will rally round, never 'grass' to the police and enjoy the benefits that the criminality brings. If they feel inclined they'll have a riot which will inevitably end up with shops being looted by these poor 'bereaved and grieving' people. Then, of course, they'll criticise the police for arresting them.

The phrase that springs to mind is 'play with fire and you'll get your fingers burned.'
 
The Ship and Royal in Shields closing next week. Staff all made redundant.

Rumours it's getting a refurb and reopening end of November.
 
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This is incredible . . . . and true.

A surgeon has found a way to remove large brain tumours through patients’ eyebrows in what is believed to be a world-first.

The NHS’s Anastasios Giamouriadis has adapted keyhole surgery to extract apple-sized cancers, which leaves less scarring than normal craniotomies.

The consultant neurosurgeon and his team have carried out the new procedure, which takes half of the usual time of eight hours, on 48 patients.

Mr Giamouriadis, of NHS Grampian, North East Scotland, said: “It is more challenging technically, but it takes probably half the time, if not less. The patient will go home the second day and be back to normal life on most occasions within a week or two."
 
This is incredible . . . . and true.

A surgeon has found a way to remove large brain tumours through patients’ eyebrows in what is believed to be a world-first.

The NHS’s Anastasios Giamouriadis has adapted keyhole surgery to extract apple-sized cancers, which leaves less scarring than normal craniotomies.

The consultant neurosurgeon and his team have carried out the new procedure, which takes half of the usual time of eight hours, on 48 patients.

Mr Giamouriadis, of NHS Grampian, North East Scotland, said: “It is more challenging technically, but it takes probably half the time, if not less. The patient will go home the second day and be back to normal life on most occasions within a week or two."
I know people who could have their whole brains removed through their eyebrows .
 
Need a bit advice....

The Mrs is going to see some ****e at Sunderland Empire tomorrow afternoon, and I'm dropping her off. I haven't been in the City Centre for donkeys, so not sure where to drop off. It would need to be within a shortish walking distance, she has a blue badge, so I'm OK that way on. I'm just dropping off, then picking up later, not parking up.

We would be coming in from Chester Road if that's any help.
 
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Need a bit advice....

The Mrs is going to see some ****e at Sunderland Empire tomorrow afternoon, and I'm dropping her off. I haven't been in the City Centre for donkeys, so not sure where to drop off. It would need to be within a shortish walking distance, she has a blue badge, so I'm OK that way on. I'm just dropping off, then picking up later, not parking up.

We would be coming in from Chester Road if that's any help.
It was a few years ago , but I dropped off outside , and I think I found a side road about 100 yds past when I came back to pick up .
Worth ringing the theatre , especially if you have a badge to see if they facilitate ?