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The Wales v Engerland & Euro 2016 Thread

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by luvgonzo, Dec 12, 2015.

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Who will Win?

  1. Wales

    15 vote(s)
    34.9%
  2. England

    23 vote(s)
    53.5%
  3. Draw

    5 vote(s)
    11.6%
  1. Sharpe*

    Sharpe* Senior Member

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    Get in!!!!

    It was very important for English football moving forward that we didn't lose to Wales.

    They're not bad and have one of the best players in the world but we were worth the win IMO.
     
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  3. Sharpe*

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    Hahaha spot on!
     
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  4. Foxy in Foyle

    Foxy in Foyle Well-Known Member

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    If only Woy, like the rest of the world had thought of that plan on Saturday, ffs! Will it give him a conundrum for Slovakia? He has clearly noticed now Sterling is rubbish & Kane looks lethargic.

    Hopefully Wales stuff the Russians.
     
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  5. luvgonzo

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    It was 1-1 at that point, what a nut!
     
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  6. Solid Air 2

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    oi Luv stop nicking my material <grr>

    it's not like i've got enough to share :tongue:
     
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  7. luvgonzo

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    I still think the England formation and players that Roy prefers will be your downfall at some point.

    Play to your strengths and stop relying on full backs going forward.

    If I stick to players that are doing well so far but change to a more solid defensive formation I'd go.

    Hart
    Clyne Cahill Smalling Bertrand
    Dier
    Rooney Alli
    Vardy Kane Studge
    The full backs are now more solid at the back and when required they will tuck in and defend well if they need to, up top you have goals Dier continues to do a job in midfield and Rooney is playing well so no need to change there.
     
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  8. Solid Air 2

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    Think i would prefer Lala to Kane at the moment
     
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  9. luvgonzo

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    I think Kane will be fine with the pressure off, Vardy and Studge can score from nothing and will also put it on a plate for Kane.

    Lallana has done well but along with Sterling when you really need a goal he will not get you one.

    England are playing with a front 3 where only one player is capable of getting a goal it's bonkers.
     
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  10. Solid Air 2

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    Kane has hardly been in the box in the game and a half he has played
    I worry Kane Vardy Studge will lead to midfield being overwhelmed so exposing our "defence"
     
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  11. NSIS

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    Kane is exhausted. Thanks to our far sighted transfer policy, we had to play all of last season with just the one designated striker - Kane. Consequently, he played in virtually every game last season. League, cup, Europa, the lot!

    I don't think Slovakia will play the way that will suit Vardy's strengths, unless they go behind and are forced to come out more. I'd certainly go with Sturridge though, providing Woy can ask him nicely not to cause so much alarm to the spectators in the middle tier with some of his 'shooting'
     
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  12. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    In the main I agree with Luv. Mine would be

    Hart
    Clyne Cahill Smalling Bertrand
    Dier
    Lallana Alli Rooney
    Vardy Studge​


    If Alli doesn't play to his potential in the first half I'd put Wilshere on as a number 10 to thread balls through. But then take Lallana off for Hendo/Milner to help Dier keep things organised.
     
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  13. Smirnoffpriest

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    Disappointed with the game - killer way for it to end I still maintain that the offside rule should have been changed to disallow that Vardy goal as well...

    ****ty way for it to end, so many chances to clear the ball... But thought it was a pretty good 1st half, we did what we needed to do. But never came out for the second, no width, no attacking threat, no attempt to keep hold of the ball, poor tactics where we just invited wave after wave of attacks on to us.

    England seem like England always are, very strong midfield but with lots of players who want to play in the '10' role. Slightly suspect defence (though it wasn't really tested by us), and good attackers who either can't seem to play together or are put in a system that doesn't get the best out of any of them, resulting in England being unable to unpick any defence and needing huge amounts of possession and chances to score a goal (or two).

    I'm sure I heard one of the commentators say something which summed up the game well "it was more like a Prem league relegation scrap - high on passion, very frenzied, but low on quality and cutting edge".

    Fingers crossed we can beat Russia and you can beat Slovakia (and it's not just my rose tinted glasses to say that we are both favs).
     
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    It's a shame tbh. Kane is clearly a top striker but he's not being able to show that this tournament due to his efforts in the season just gone.

    Good for Spurs fans though. If Kane had been on top form and got the golden boot you could have some of the major clubs banging on your door.
     
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    That's true about not playing to Vardy's strengths, but neither did Wales and he was in the right place at the right time. A fox in the box.

    Ideally a Kane and Sturridge partnership is the type we need and would be excellent. But as you say Kane is exhausted.

    We'll see but those 2 would be my picks if we had a fresh squad.
     
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    think your spot on with rose and walker ..thought walker was outstanding yesterday .. we have no natural width for plan A or B to be able to of stretch out the game ..

    playing through the middle is not the way forward as many teams have found out ...

    just a matter of time before some good teams have pace on either flanks and forward ..one decent ball ...there in ..

    just gets
    smothered through the middle .
     
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  17. Smirnoffpriest

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    Although I'm no fan of Hodgson's tactics and I don't think he gets the best out of your midfield or attack I do look at your midfield as well and it's no wonder you have no width and always play through the middle - you have players like Rooney, Alli, Wilshere, ect who all want to be no10s hogging the centre, you then have Lallana and Sterling cutting into the middle from the flanks, Dier occasionally driving up through the middle - the only width or pace you have is coming from your fullbacks!

    There's nobody making runs (except for Sterling and Vardy), moving and dragging players around, allowing a deep lying playmaker (potentially Wilshere) to spread balls over and around the defence in to the gaps. And then you have Rooney either taking up the room Alli wants or splitting the strikers or clogging the midfield as he has no positional discipline.
     
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    Alli makes very intelligent runs into dangerous positions. They're not always picked up on though...
     
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  19. Smirnoffpriest

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    I agree, I just think that the midfield (and attack) is unbalanced at the moment, and with some tweaking it could work a lot better.
     
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  20. leez

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    i think klopp and hodgson has changed lallana , he is running about like a chicken with no head .
    hard to tell where he is playing .
    the midfield looks slow and predictable at times . sterling has been awful . i think that ali will come good but its getting the space .
     
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