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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by MackemsRule, Dec 4, 2012.

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  1. Obertan's Rancid Toe

    Obertan's Rancid Toe Well-Known Member

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    This, it's all about respect and moving forward MackemsRule. Unfortunately to do this we have to remove the symbols that have caused the division on both sides. This is a long process which will not be done over night and it will cause a lot of hurt to certain sections of the community as we try a bridge the years of mistrust. You also have to remember there are over 3000 unionist/loyalist parades in this country every year with a handful of contentious parades which march through nationalist areas (where they are not wanted), imo this is the biggest issue the people of NI have to get over as every year tensions build with the start of each marching season. Compromise/Respect are big words that a lot of people over here have to get used to as if we don’t we are going nowhere as a country.
     
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  3. SAFC_Derry

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    True and often by people who are ill informed!
     
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    Damn good player.
     
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  5. Makemstine Roger

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    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/OV1ZdjI_J6U?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


    just to prove a point
     
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    Spectacufail
     
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  7. Nads

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    I may be being simple here, but don't England, Scotland , Northern Ireland & Wales have their own flags?

    Shouldn't they be the flags used in the individual nations?
     
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    [video=youtube;vkOpgr1ElXg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkOpgr1ElXg[/video]

    [video=youtube;VJ9nHK_NIP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ9nHK_NIP0[/video]
     
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    Billy - You not here today as I'd expect you on this one?
     
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    The "Northern Ireland flag" has ceased to be an official flag since 1969
     
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    This is a nice flag ,Its got stars on it <whistle>

    please log in to view this image
     
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  12. Nads

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    Then indeed, I was being simple <ok>
     
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    Indeed, go sit in the corner ;)
     
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  14. DeludedToon

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    I'd have thought this was a bad time to bring up the whole Irish thing again so quickly...however does it really matter, the world needs to move on if those Irish troubles are ever going to be truly put into the past.
     
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  15. Makemstine Roger

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    sorry mate both fails put on internet edited, so you don't see the petrol bombs bricks, the lot, i was there, and the fat **** in vid 2 is a lie you cant be a serving para and a fat ****, another fail.


    you can however as the Praat reaction states, keep saying unarmed innocents, 2 army guys in a car turned down the wrong street
    they were armed chose not to open fire when attacked and were ripped to shreds and killed by unarmed innocent civilians. <laugh>
     
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  16. Makemstine Roger

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    According to the CAIN research project at the University of Ulster, [84] the Provisional IRA was responsible for the deaths of 1,821 people during the Troubles up to 2001. This figure represents 48.4 percent of the total fatalities in the conflict.

    621 of these casualties were civilians.
    A total of 655 were British armed forces; 465 from the British Army, 190 were from the Ulster Defence Regiment (a part time local British Army reserve unit).
    272 were members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, 14 were former Royal Ulster Constabulary members, six were British Police, 20 were Northern Ireland Prison Service officers, two were former prison officers.
    A further 35 were loyalist paramilitaries (21 Ulster Defence Association (UDA), three former UDA, 11 Ulster Volunteer Force).
    Six were Gardai and one was Irish Army.
    About 180 were republican paramilitaries, including 12 Official IRA members, one Irish People's Liberation Organisation member, 63 alleged informers and 103 accidental deaths of Provisional IRA members due to premature explosions.
    CAIN calculates that of 1706 victims, 340 were Northern Irish Catholics, 794 were Northern Irish Protestants and 572 were not from Northern Ireland.[citation needed]

    Another detailed study,[85] gives the following figures for people killed by the Provisional IRA up to 2004:

    644 civilians,
    456 British military (including British Army, RAF, Royal Navy, and Territorial Army), 273 Royal Ulster Constabulary (including RUC reserve), 182 Ulster Defence Regiment,
    163 Republican paramilitary members (including from the IRA),
    28 loyalist paramilitary members, 23 Northern Ireland Prison Service officers, 7 Gardai or Irish Army, and five British police officers (Lost Lives, page 1536).
    Lost Lives therefore concludes that the Provisional IRA was responsible for a total of 1,781 deaths to date. It has also been estimated that the IRA injured 6,000 British Army, UDR and RUC and up to 14,000 civilians, during the Troubles.[86]
     
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  17. Hash.

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    Yeah that is funny, you'd think they'd have done some recon. and knew where the **** they were going. <doh> Poor Capt.Nairac <peacedove>
     
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  18. Makemstine Roger

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    2 BRITISH SOLDIERS KILLED AT I.R.A. RITES
    By FRANCIS X. CLINES, Special to the New York Times
    Published: March 20, 1988
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    There was more macabre violence at an Irish Republican Army funeral today as two armed British soldiers in civilian clothes drove their car into a crowd of panicked mourners and were, in turn, seized, beaten and finally shot to death.

    Their bloody bodies were discovered a short while later in a garbage patch. The military authorities denied the two men were undercover agents observing the funeral.

    The two were trying to flee quickly when challenged by a neighborhood security watch, according to local residents, and they then drove directly into the cortege. A spokesman for the British Army said the two men were not on duty and were merely on the way to new assignments outside Belfast when they came acoss the funeral. Many at Wednesday Funeral

    Many of the frightened and enraged mourners had been at a funeral Wednesday at which a civilian threw grenades and killed three mourners. The authorities are holding Michael Stone, 33 years old, in that incident and say they have arrested a second person.
     
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  19. DeludedToon

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    Bang out of order imo.
     
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  20. Makemstine Roger

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    MATE A FEW HAVE COMMENTED ON HERE, they know **** all they weren't there, they only take a biast view from the net depending weather they are Nationalist or republican, all im doing is defending our lads.
    against the slander of ****s who dont know the real facts.

    I was no more than a boy when i went there, nearly every day on patrol we were sniped at, spat at,bricked, petrol bombed, you have that rammed down your through, day after day, in the same position, see how long it takes before all respect is lost and you develop a tit for tat.
     
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