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Off Topic The UK is starving

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Commachio, Dec 16, 2018.

  1. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Absolutely not. There's a woman's refuge right next to my shop. Nobody is supposed to know about it, but it's there.
     
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  2. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    The salient point is, that the disparity has grown massively during a period of supposed austerity.

    It appears that the pain of austerity was only taken by the poorest and most vulnerable.

    An example of this would be the Tories cutting the top tax band by 5% whilst cutting benefits and introducing the bedroom tax. To say there’s no correlation is pure nonsense.
     
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  3. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Some of them don't want the help. They reject everything thrown at them. There's some of them become accustomed to living on the streets and become a gang with like minded homeless people. Which results in them committing crime and targeting other homeless folk. It becomes a way of life for them that they don't want changed.
     
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    There are strict guidelines for local authourities regarding DV.

    Here I believe the homelessness includes refuges and that is different to rough sleepers
     
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    Your last paragraph. Regardless of the reasons, even that reason, if it includes the break down of family support, which will inevitably happen eventually, it has a probability of ending in death.

    Btw i didn't read any reports to gain this knowledge, just so you know.
     
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  6. thefanwithnoname

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    Tbh, and this won't go down well, I find a lot of reports by specifically targetted agencies try and favour their agenda. So maybe just as well you don't read them
     
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    Need to go bro ..laters
     
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  8. thefanwithnoname

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  9. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Got some personal experience and advice on how I should do that mate?

    Maybe it came up in a local police meeting that you had an invite to or something?
     
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  10. BobbyD

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    Yup I've heard about this one and it's crazy the amount hanging outside the station.

    One of the mk cleaners were saying it's because they would rather be on drugs Android booze than go to the shelters.

    Sad if it's true really but I don't see why the train cleaner would lie about it
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    At the risk of being accessed of doxxin I could refer you to another poster who may have experience of that
     
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  12. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Are there any countries in the world that deal with homelessness and poverty well? If so what is their solution and would it work in the UK?
     
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  13. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    Well yeah thats always the case, thats why austerity is bullshit and is completely flawed as a concept.

    Of course there is some correlation, there always will be a ripple effect in an economy.
    But the richer are also getting richer mainly because of all the ways to make money these days relatively risk free. If you have money to spend, then you can easily make money, things like investments and crypto currencies (which I made a small killing on).

    Corporations is where they need to focus on, rather than benefits cheats. Corporation tax dodgers are the ****ing worst.
    "Yes Daily Mail, you are going to sit there giving me a lesson in patriotism......a company that moved its headquarters to Bermuda to avoid paying UK corporation tax.".
    Tens of billions are lost through these loop holes that these scum bags take advantage of.
     
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    If you’re a single bloke living in rented accommodation then you’re extremely vulnerable.

    An example. You’re working have a nice rented flat that matches your income. You lose your job.
    You sign on and can no longer afford the rent on your nice rented flat, as even when your claim gets processed it’ll be beyond the housing benefit limit. So you need to find a new flat, only now you’re waiting for your UC payment, and many private landlords won’t take UC benefits claimants now. So you’re struggling to find a new place, you’ve fallen behind with your rent, the landlord starts eviction proceedings. You get evicted.

    You’re now at risk of being classed as making yourself intentionally homeless as you’ve not paid your rent. You’re a single man anyway, and you’ll be ranked at the bottom of the scale when it comes to need for social housing. You still can’t find a place that’ll take you on benefits. You’re now homeless.

    This is what happens to many, especially in the major cities. But they’re all smack heads and alcies yanno.
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    All about resources mate.

    And sadly sometimes those in real need have to have underlying issues resolved rather than just providing a roof over their head. Again I use ex squaddies as an example of a group of people that need say mental health help oforsr and foremost rather than just a bed for the night
     
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  16. Archers Road

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    The poor are getting poorer too though, and that mostly means the working poor.

    Twenty years ago there was really no such thing as the working poor - work, any work, was a way out of poverty. Nowadays if you don’t have either a specific trade or skill, or else one of the very few secure well paid jobs with a decent employer (and a strong Trade Union) you can be knocking your pipes out 40+ hours a week and still not covering the bills.
     
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  17. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    The point is, the help that used to be there has gone. Local government is starved of resources, central government couldn’t give a ****. The streets are filling up. That’s not a coincidence.

    Look, I’m old enough to have lived through many governments. Every time the Tories are in power, you get more people on the streets. Every ****ing time.

    You also get the NHS in crisis, schools starved of resources, a shortage of social housing. It’s irrefutable fact, this is what Tory governments do. You can praise Maggie and the Tories all you like, but don’t kid yourself there isn’t a massive human cost to their policies; and just because you’re not the one paying it this time doesn’t mean you are immune.

    Anyway, Saints won yesterday so I really should stop moaning now.
     
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    Sorry I went off on one

    Finland had an interesting way if resolving homelessness.

    They basically cut through the crap and put finding a home as priority over looking at the underlying issues. With some success

    My view on it is that underlying issues being unresolved may find people back on the streets
     
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    Not a response to your points but have you looked into the Finland model for homelessness?


    Interestingly the biggest obstacle was making it mainstream and taking the "power" away from NGOs, one reason due to their red tape etc and what it cost to go their routes
     
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