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Off Topic The UK is starving

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Commachio, Dec 16, 2018.

  1. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Don't get me wrong there are genuine cases. As I said earlier for example ex squaddies genuinely need help and the numbers in jail and on the streets is alarming. These guys fought for their country (and I don't care if the wars were right or wrong)

    There are even many folk who are struggling but don't take advantage of help out there for reasons of pride or whatever and spiral into debt etc
     
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  2. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    There are always going to be a few pisstakers. But the simple fact is that we as s society are currently failing the most vulnerable people, and that is a direct result of government policy.

    I’ve been hearing this argument all my life, that society’s rejects and down and outs are on their arses through choice. In very few cases is that ever true. Most of the people sleeping on the streets are there due to a combination of bad luck, mental health issues, drug and alcohol problems. And most, with a bit of support, can become useful members of society again.

    But it’s far easier to blame them and look the other way.
     
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  3. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    They're not allowed dogs, they're not people.
     
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  4. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Don't think it matters who is in power, none of them give a **** about those at the bottom.
     
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  5. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome
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    Corbyn reckons he will. Though I am skeptical
    I want to give him a chance to put his money where his mouth is to be honest, and for that reason, I will be voting for him at the next election.
     
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    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    The Conservatives are the something for nothing brigade <laugh>

    Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg, David Cameron; these ****s are born loaded, and while they are lording it over forelock tugging proles like you, you blame some junkie kid from Scunthorpe for the state of the country. What utter bollocks. It’s the Tories who destroyed the trade unions and ripped apart working class communities up and down the country.
     
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  7. brb

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    This ^^^ people don't realise how easy it is to end up on the street. Some very good examples in Archers list and i will add another, lack of or no family network/support for a variety of generally sad reasons.
     
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  8. Stan

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    I reckon Corbyn would but I'm not sure he'd provide a long term solution. Whilst the Tories will leave all of them to rot so that they can say they didn't pander to the freeloaders, he might make it too appealing for the freeloaders to sponge. Neither are the answer.
     
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  9. Stan

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    Isn't domestic abuse the main cause of homelessness (or one of the main ones)? Until anyone's been in a position where living on the streets is preferable to being beaten up or sexually abused by a partner/relative then I think it's harsh to make sweeping judgements.
     
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  10. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Tbf I agree that vulnerable people are being failed and I'm not about simply saying it's a choice.

    Care in the community etc were stupid decisions long term, closing down of facilities etc same

    However the issues are not as simple as they look at first glance. And I would say that the genuine cases are fewer than you argue

    PS not trying to be a **** here, it's an interesting discussion
     
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    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say so. Domestic violence if anything has more victims staying put unfortunately and continuing to be abused
     
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    The trade unions that were destroying the country?

    Yep. Maggie had the right idea.
     
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  13. brb

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    Everyone that is living on the street is a genuine case. Not having a go, just saying. It's not for us to judge the reasons, they still need the help. You might help them and they go full circle, but they are still genuine cases.

    Unless you have lived on the street or known people that have lived on the street, then no one should be casting stones. Just my opinion that's all.
     
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  14. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    A report said the main reason for homelessness was lack of affordable housing
     
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  15. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Based on what exactly? A couple of personal ****ing anecdotes?

    Funny how you always have first hand experience on every ****ing topic eh?

    Even if it is the few, so **** 'em then?

    Like I alluded to earlier, we're conditioned to treat these people as sub human and avoid all eye contact etc.

    It's ****ing disgusting.
     
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  16. Stan

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    Had a look. The stats are contradictory and appear to be fudged in places.

    The below is from here: https://www.acf.hhs.gov/fysb/resource/dv-homelessness-stats-2016

    In just one day in 2015, over 31,500 adults and children fleeing domestic violence found refuge in a domestic violence emergency shelter or transitional housing program.
    • That same day, domestic violence programs were unable to meet over 12,197 requests for services because of a lack of funding, staffing, or other resources.
    • Sixty-three percent (7,728) of unmet requests were for housing. Emergency shelter and transitional housing continue to be the most urgent unmet needs for domestic violence survivors.
    Also this article addresses how the stats are fudged: https://www.theguardian.com/housing...tic-violence-victims-homelessness-centrepoint
     
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  17. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    No mate I know it's just a discussion, a genuinely interesting one and as I said to a cheers I'm not being a ****, or just being contrary

    It's something I genuinely have an interest in and have worked with and studied a little bit

    I'm interested in people views
     
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  18. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    well this should make interesting reading in 12 hours time<laugh>
     
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  19. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Everybody living on the streets is a genuine case? Some people put themselves there and throw any help back in people's faces.
     
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  20. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Sorry mate it's a decent discussion so far and I'm happy to engage but not if it's in this manner
     
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