So this is the band I can hear right now out of my window I live less than half a mile from this event and it sounds like the crowd are going metal right now Fair play
please log in to view this image Nine artists who hated their own albums IN ASSOCIATION WITH By Stephen Dowling 19 August 2019 please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image Recording is over. The album, the producer says with theatrical flourish, is a wrap. But this, in many ways, is only the beginning. Sometimes what’s been completed is more than a few brush strokes short of a masterpiece. Something that you then have to spend countless hours bigging up in interviews, and many more playing to fans across the world (if you’re lucky). Belle & Sebastien’s Stuart Murdoch was rather sniffy to BBC Music about the band’s much-feted second album If You’re Feeling Sinister, which the band performed in its entirety at the Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago. He’s not the first artist to become less than enthusiastic about an album. Here, BBC Music looks at a raft of other albums disowned by their creators. Oasis – Be Here Now (1997) and Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000) please log in to view this image Oasis’s mid-90s rise was both meteoric and messy. Noel Gallagher had years to build up a raft of classic songs that peppered the band’s first two albums, but the band’s huge success became a furnace that demanded to be filled. After playing two record-breaking nights at Knebworth and touring the US, the band perhaps should have taken a breather. Instead, they made the much-maligned Be Here Now. “I only say this now, looking back on it after 20 years… we should never have made that record then,” Gallagher admitted in a video interview in 2016. The band’s follow-up, Standing On the Shoulder Of Giants, hasn’t fared much better. In a 2011 interview with Grantland, Gallagher regretted making the album, which is widely regarded as one of the band’s worst. “I’d come to the end. At the time, I had no reason or desire to make music. I had no drive. There just seemed to be no point.” Van Halen – Van Halen III (1998) please log in to view this image Van Halen were one of the most over-the-top hair-metal bands of the 1980s, fronted by the larger-than-cartoon-life David Lee Roth. Roth bailed first in the mid-80s, in favour of a solo career, leaving Sammy Hagar to handle vocal duties. That lasted until 1996. After a short-lived and acrimonious reunion with Roth, Van Halen then enlisted former Extreme singer Gary Cherone to take over the mike. The resulting album - Van Halen III – was produced by Mike Post, the composer behind TV show themes such as The Greatest American Hero and Hill Street Blues. The resulting songs rivalled Oasis’ Be Here Now for bloated length; the closing track How Many Say I is a six-minute-long piano ballad. The album sold poorly, and a follow-up died in the studio, leading to Cherone’s exit. When Van Halen got around to producing a best-of album in 2004, The Best Of Both Worlds, not a single track from Van Halen III appeared on it. The Smiths – The Smiths (1984) please log in to view this image The debut album from the British indie pioneers didn’t arrive easily; the band initially recorded it in an east London basement during a heatwave in 1983. The heat was so intense that they had trouble keeping their guitars in tune. The band reconvened with a new producer – John Porter – and set to work on re-recording the entire album. However, Morrissey wasn’t happy with the results, declaring it “wasn’t good enough”. Label Rough Trade, who had spent thousands on the project disagreed, and the album was released, despite Morrissey’s concerns. The Beatles – Let It Be (1970) please log in to view this image Even The Beatles weren’t immune to a bit of revisionism. Their 12th – and final – studio album Let It Be saw them unite with “Wall of Sound” producer Phil Spector, after earlier misfiring sessions. Even at the time, what would become the band’s epitaph was greeted with less than universal acclaim. NME called it a “cardboard tombstone” and Rolling Stone criticised the choice of Spector as producer. The album created cracks that wouldn’t heal. In an interview with Rolling Stone not long after the band split, John Lennon said the experience had been “miserable”. He added: “That is one of the main reasons the Beatles ended. I can’t speak for George, but I pretty damn well know we got fed up of being side-men for Paul,” he said. The orchestral extras Spector added to the mix rankled the surviving Beatles even years after band went their separate ways. In 2003, Paul McCartney masterminded a remixed version of the album, known as Let It Be… Naked, stripping it of the Spector strings. Prince – The Black Album (1987) please log in to view this image Oasis thought the songs on Be Here Now were too long. The Beatles could have done without the strings on Let It Be. But Prince? Prince was convinced his 1987 album The Black Album was actually evil – and refused to release it. The record was originally intended to be a follow-up to 1987’s masterpiece Sign O’ The Times, and aimed at a black audience after a string of more poppier releases. Before the album was due to be released – entirely in black, with no title or credit – it had been referred to in press releases as The Funk Bible. But then came an unforeseen obstacle: Prince had what was described as a “spiritual epiphany” and believed the album was created by an evil entity called Spooky Electric. He refused to release it, even as bootlegs started selling for enormous amounts of money. In 1994, his label Warners finally released the album as a strictly limited-edition release (it was deleted months later) but Prince retained a distance towards his “haunted” record. U2 – Pop (1997) please log in to view this image The early 1990s saw the band casting out the cowboy boots and widescreen stadium-friendly Americana for mitteleuropean ennui and disturbing sunglasses. After taking cues from the likes of the Pixies and Ride, the band were riding a wave of commercial and critical richness. That experimentation hit the buffers, somewhat, with Pop. The album that spawned the Popmart world tour struggled to emerge out of the studio. Drummer Larry Mullen had to have back surgery as the sessions started, putting the band behind schedule. The band then spent three months trying to corral a mass of musical fragments into a coherent album along with producers Flood, Howie B and Nellee Hooper. Songs were constantly reworked. Unhelpfully, U2 had booked stadium dates for their new tour from April 1997, despite the album not being finished yet. Bono only recorded the chorus to one song – Last Night On Earth – on the final day of mixing and recording, and further changes were made even after the “finished” record had been sent to New York to be mastered. The album’s rushed production meant U2 were less than happy with the album’s songs. They reworked them during the tour, and were still tweaking singles when a few of them made the compilation The Best Of 1990-2000, five years after the album was released. “Pop never had the chance to be properly finished,” Bono related after the fact. “It is really the most expensive demo session in the history of music.” The Clash – Cut The Crap (1985) please log in to view this image The Clash’s sixth-and-last album not only spelled the end of their careers, it almost destroyed their legacy as well. By the time the Clash came to record it, two of the Last Gang In Town had been summarily fired: drummer Topper Headon and guitarist and co-vocalist Mick Jones. Frontman Joe Strummer reunited with the band’s original manager Bernie Rhodes, a union that had caused chaos in the band; this time, Rhodes wanted to co-write the songs and produce the album. Strummer and bass player Paul Simonon were joined by session musicians, with Strummer and Rhodes clashing more and more over the direction the album should take. Cut The Crap was a mess, and a career-ending one at that. Rhodes’ inexperience as a producer meant the album was cluttered with unnecessary guitar parts and football-terrace vocals. The album was received so badly that the band refused to tour in support of it. Strummer, appalled by the negative press, moved to Spain. The band’s last album has never been re-released, and its songs rarely crop up on Clash compilations. The Strokes – Angles (2011) please log in to view this image The Strokes seemed to have it all – Manhattan upbringings, cheekbones to die for, bohemian privilege and a debut album, Is This It?, stuffed with such effortlessly cool songs that they almost seemed too good to be true. The problem with releasing such a strong debut; you can then spend the rest of your career trying to reach that benchmark again. The band’s follow-up, 2003’s Room On Fire, kept slavishly to their debut’s formula, and 2006’s uneven First Impressions of Earth started eroding the legacy. Various issues meant the band took another five years to complete their next album, 2011’s Angles. And it didn’t take long for the band to start detailing what a miserable experience it was. "I won't do the next album we make like this. No way. It was awful," guitarist Nick Valensi told Pitchfork - while promoting the album. "There's a bunch of stuff [on the record] I wouldn't have done," echoed lead singer Julian Casablancas. The La’s – The La’s (1990) Liverpool’s The La’s had one enormous single in the 1990s – the chiming, wistful There She Goes, a song that graced soundtracks from The Parent Trap to So I Married An Axe Murderer (despite the fact the song might be about heroin addiction as much as unrequited love). The song was originally released in 1998, but found its biggest audience when re-released as part of the band’s debut – and so far, only – album. It was an album only released after the band’s frustrated label could take no more; the band’s eccentric mainman Lee Mavers had worked with no less than 12 producers to try and bring his songs to life. A finished album finally appeared thanks to Steve Lillywhite, but Mavers took little time in disowning the album completely, even as the band were promoting it. Fellow producer Mike Hedges, who had worked on the earliest demos with the group, told The Guardian in 2008: "I think [Mavers] got so stuck on what they should sound like that he didn't know what they should sound like.”
Ok, not one for kiwi... Ed Norton has written and directed a new film, and asked Thom Yorke to writs something for it... this is the result Norton was so moved by it, he ended up in tears (something I'm sure Kiwi would appreciate!) Edward Norton on How Thom Yorke Helped Shape ‘Motherless Brooklyn’ – Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...rke-motherless-brooklyn-daily-battles-863783/
New song by jnrs band last night - they are getting much better - bits of The Fall and other post-punk influences.....
Good evening everyone and I hope your all enjoying your super hot bank holiday weekend If anyone is interested then at 10pm BBC Four are showing the Foo Fighters set from Reading
Now I would regard myself as a music fan liking a wide range of sounds but can somebody explain what’s the attraction of the foo fighters. If you like them great but I don’t get it
