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[Milk not bear jizz]

20/20 is also a slog fest that removes about 75% of the skill of the game. you could basically call it kiddie cricket and put the ball on a post like they do in kiddie baseball and hit it as hard as you can/ bowlers are forced to bowl one line, certain height etc etc at speed, get them in... batsman have 10 wickets for 20 overs so that's 1 wicket per 2 overs so they don't need any defensive skills but need to just hammer the bat at it.

all their fielders do is catch deep and save runs

i nshort its a different entertainment but the truth is the real skill and the toughness of a 5 day game bowling 20-30 overs in a day is all gone. the types of balls that can be bowled are limited.

If a minute (minimum) per ball for 8 hours bores you fine but if you can't appreciate the skills and work required then you just have not bothered and thats on you.

same for rugby. for me watching 7s is missing 70% of the game and all the power and basically violence and a good ruck.

its all about the skills employed folks. after all.. come on you can tune in for the days review each night and get the highlights if you've time commitments.

If you play cricket/rugby- you probably want the full skill/experience.
As a spectator, you want something exciting.

It's two sides to the coin... the shortening- and speeding up of various sports is because the spectator is winning and beating out the competitor.

 

[Sharpe*]

T20 is for inpatient American sports lovers.

Test cricket is exactly that. It tests every element of your skills and is the ultimate.

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

Question...

Is football next. Football already sits in the sweet spot for action/length. Not too much or too little of either... but as attention spans drop further... will football have a makeover?

7 Players on the field instead of 11... you'd get more goals- players would have to run more...

 

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

Morning knobbreaths.

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

T20 is for inpatient American sports lovers.

Test cricket is exactly that. It tests every element of your skills and is the ultimate.

Americans have no idea what T20 is!

If you asked them what T20 is they'd probably guess it is a robot from Star Wars.

 

[Sharpe*]

Americans have no idea what T20 is!

If you asked them what T20 is they'd probably guess it is a robot from Star Wars.

I'm referring to them having no patience - T20 is an Americanised version of real cricket.

A commercial spectacle.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

If you play cricket/rugby- you probably want the full skill/experience.
As a spectator, you want something exciting.

It's two sides to the coin... the shortening- and speeding up of various sports is because the spectator is winning and beating out the competitor.

depends....

casual spectator yes.

spectator looking for the minutia no.

example..... people who don't really care... seem to need 4-4 to call football exciting. they are called americans.. note football being abused on simpsons for boring 0-0 passing around the back followed by a riot.

example..... fan who really loves his game knows who's doing what, where players are, why they have placed themselves there and the strategy being undertaken.

 

[jenners04]

T20 is for inpatient American sports lovers.

Test cricket is exactly that. It tests every element of your skills and is the ultimate.

and you dont feel you get that with t20?

you have to be as patient in that and sometimes wait until the world class bowlers have finished, there is as much skill involved in that as there is taking 2 days to get a century, some players manage that in a 20 over game, just like good enough bowlers can get hatricks.

same skill involved just not as long for me.

gayle 175 not out in a t20 match, how long would that take in test cricket, and if so more than likely end up in a bore draw.

t 20 is also good as you get to learn so many aspects of the game as a player but a lot quicker, ie adapting to spin, quick bowlers etc etc.

the argument that cricket pitches ie boundaries are smaller to get more runs ie 6's etc, yeah true, but i have seen quite regularly players twat the ball over 100m( think its measured in metres?) which would be 6 on any ground anyway.

 

[Foredeckdave]

Thank You for returning this small haven of peace to its rightful title

 

[Sharpe*]

and you dont feel you get that with t20?

you have to be as patient in that and sometimes wait until the world class bowlers have finished, there is as much skill involved in that as there is taking 2 days to get a century, some players manage that in a 20 over game, just like good enough bowlers can get hatricks.

same skill involved just not as long for me.

gayle 175 not out in a t20 match, how long would that take in test cricket, and if so more than likely end up in a bore draw.

t 20 is also good as you get to learn so many aspects of the game as a player but a lot quicker, ie adapting to spin, quick bowlers etc etc.

the argument that cricket pitches ie boundaries are smaller to get more runs ie 6's etc, yeah true, but i have seen quite regularly players twat the ball over 100m( think its measured in metres?) which would be 6 on any ground anyway.

No.

No patience, no build up of pressure, no continued build up of an innings.

No prolonged tactical thinking.

No huge innings. No stamina and mental effort of batting for over a day.

No history.

Cheer leaders....

Its a slog. Almost like an advert for the real thing.

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

Cheer leaders....

T20 has cheerleaders?

I wasn't aware of that... how cringeworthy!

 

[Sharpe*]

T20 has cheerleaders?

I wasn't aware of that... how cringeworthy!

IPL does yeah.

It is just not cricket lol

 

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

Cricket is a ****ing **** activity for old men and old man wannabes.

 

[jenners04]

No.

No patience, no build up of pressure, no continued build up of an innings.

No prolonged tactical thinking.

No huge innings. No stamina and mental effort of batting for over a day.

No history.

Cheer leaders....

Its a slog. Almost like an advert for the real thing.

all them answers prove you don't watch t20 i am afraid, also sounds like you don't like or watch t20 and have pre judged it as you think test cricket is key.

same skill involved, just on a shorter scale, whether its getting runs or taking wickets.

also if you get a maiden in t20 it is HUGE, what impact in test cricket does a ruddy maiden mean? **** all.

 

[Germlands Nozzer]

Question...

Is football next. Football already sits in the sweet spot for action/length. Not too much or too little of either... but as attention spans drop further... will football have a makeover?

7 Players on the field instead of 11... you'd get more goals- players would have to run more...

Futsal.

 

[Sharpe*]

all them answers prove you don't watch t20 i am afraid, also sounds like you don't like or watch t20 and have pre judged it as you think test cricket is key.

same skill involved, just on a shorter scale, whether its getting runs or taking wickets.

also if you get a maiden in t20 it is HUGE, what impact in test cricket does a ruddy maiden mean? **** all.

I don't watch a lot of it I must admit.

I watch the odd bit of IPL and it just doesn't motivate me.

You say its the same skills - well it is because its cricket - but there is not the prolonged effort of batting over a huge period and the mental effort of that.

I don't think its just a shorter version - cricket over a larger period does test different skills.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

t20 is doing well and helping the Caribbean economy., probably the same as the ipl as well and it helps both national teams ie india and west indies bring through some exciting talent at the same time, england like football will wait too long to join the party and do similar.

i know rhc and a few others will disagree, but its getting the younger generation interested in cricket again as test cricket is too long (ie 5 days) normal people have work commitments, children etc etc, well one dayers, t20, you can get away with it.

you watch test cricket and its a case of spot the younger generation, as when i have watched it has been mainly old people ie retired who have nothing better to do with their time as they don't want to take up bowls,golf or similar ****e.

1. T20 probably drags a few through to the beautiful version of the sport.

2. You haven't been to many test matches if you think the crowd are all retired

 

[jenners04]

I don't watch a lot of it I must admit.

I watch the odd bit of IPL and it just doesn't motivate me.

You say its the same skills - well it is because its cricket - but there is not the prolonged effort of batting over a huge period and the mental effort of that.

I don't think its just a shorter version - cricket over a larger period does test different skills.

true to a degree i suppose, but then in test you have time on your side and know you can wait for a bad ball, in limited overs game you mostly have to force the issue which makes it more exciting, whether that's bowlers doing well or the batsmen getting the upper hand, but they don't wait 2 days for something to happen generally.

maidens in limited mean a hell of a lot more than they do in test cricket as all it is is another over gone in test, limited its a huge thing so puts pressure on the batting team, maiden in test doesn't really effect anything, so the skill to do it should be acknowledged and appreciated, just like gayle 175 not out.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

No.

No patience, no build up of pressure, no continued build up of an innings.

No prolonged tactical thinking.

No huge innings. No stamina and mental effort of batting for over a day.

No history.

Cheer leaders....

Its a slog. Almost like an advert for the real thing.

****ing absolutely this ^

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

2. You haven't been to many test matches if you think the crowd are all retired

What % of Cricket spectators in the UK would you say are not one of the following groups:

1) Over 60.
2) Immigrants.
3) Rich snobs from down South.

Surely- those three groups capture a large % of the cricket spectatorship in the UK.



/ never been to a test match... never lasted more than 5 minutes watching one on telly either!