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Yeah but some slight level of minimizing corruption and rule of some system of laws would be useful.

There is too much of this free world, only one way is good and all others are evil stuff.

the reality is either people get wise to the global situation and look after their own or they don't.

hence the stupidity of brexit. the world is burning, it will continue to burn as people fail to take action as its slightly inconvenient. fracturing europe only benefits the people who are jockeying for influence. hawks in the US, russia, china. We are weaker as a result as is europe.

 

The warlords and mujahs yes. in the 1980s and rambo did a great job over there

once the russians gave up and evacuated in 1988 but propped up the puppet government until 1991 when the russian economy got so bad they couldn't even afford that anymore.

there was a civil war there and the taliban were what emerged and ruled form 1996 onwards over the majority of the place but not the total place.

They are back now and that is that. If they learn from their errors and focus on consolidation like iran did eventually then that will be that.


To put this in context the UK has spent as much on the afghan war (37 bil) as they expect to pay for brexit to the EU. 457 deaths, 10,382 injuries and illnesses.

 

I'm not underestimating Biden based on hackneyed stereotypes of his age. I've watched enough videos of him to know that he's seriously cognitively impaired. It makes for sad watching. The mess at the border which is now classed as a humanitarian crisis is a huge failure of his administration. Honestly, with all the woke policies, the country looks to be in real turmoil. And rather disturbingly, support for Trump is growing and growing.

 

Mate this isn't bidets fault, but more the fault of the good ol US of A thinking they should be world police for the past 40 odd years.

Unfortunately them being world police basically came down to don't be socialist/communist we don't like it. Be like us or we will invade and make you like us.

As their Stella results show, this doesn't actually work. Someone was always going to have to pull the troops out, Biden got the job. Its proving a popular move in America.

 

Amazing how many people seem to have forgotten the fact that Trump signed a treaty with the Taliban in 2020, which guaranteed the withdrawal of all troops within 9.5 months. Seems even he’s forgotten about it, as he’s currently criticising Biden for not overriding his own ****e foreign policy lol.

 

I think you've jogged something in my memory,

The puppet government was quite progressive women's rights and looking to move the country forward, but because the Americans didn't like the ties to socialism/communism they funded the opposition.

Something if that ilk.

 

Oh I know it's not Biden's fault mate. The situation is far too complex for me to understand so I couldn't and wouldn't apportion blame on anyone specifically. My comment about him is just about his personal appearance and personal cognitive abilities in interviews and press meetings in general. He's a poor advertisement to the world about what a competent leader looks like.

 

I agree that he doesn't come across as the greatest thinker. However we've had a good look at leaders that "look good" to the electorate, who are very excellent at showing the public a slick persona snd telling them what they want to hear.

It's how you end up with boris and trump, all front and no substance.

 

It's why I mostly stay out of politics. I don't trust any of them. I've taken a bit more interest lately because of lack of anything else to do and watching clips of various politicians has just reinforced why I have stayed away from it for most of my life. The sheer incompetence, hypocrisy and lack of basic intelligence (with some of them) staggers me as to how on earth they got to sit in Parliament (and the American House) in the first place.

 

Yeah but the yanks were in throwing money around clandestinely for years before. I'm sure the opportunity to break Russian influence was.more important then tham finding Islamists. Same as Iraq. Didnt matter what kind of person Hussein was he was not Iran who were in russia pocket.

Most messes seem to stem from malign influences funding these types.

Like russia in lybia today. Masses of russian forces pretending to be mercenaries.

 

Still an improvement on Trump.
This is not much of a recommendation though - a turnip would be an improvement on Trump.

 

I understand what you're saying but in terms of his public speaking, his ability to express himself and simply get out a coherent sentence which is what I'm talking about, he really isn't.

 

The more you take an interest in politics the more exasperated you become.

It's not just at government level, I recently popped along to a parish council meeting, just to have a look and it was the same, incompetence, pettiness and backstabbing, just on a smaller scale of descion.

People arguing over the smallest of ****e, just to get one up on each other, it was amusing and depressing all at the same time.

Funny but the football committee is exactly the same.

 

Disagree.......Americans were fooled into thinking this, but Biden is and always has been pro-war,pro-corporate and very right wing.
The Yank establishment made sure he was the democratic nominee because he is a 'yes man' and can be easily manipulated to
their every wish.

 

The world as it currently stands is just f****ng depressing. Genuinely seems to be in the worst state that I can ever remember it. I try not to think about it too much anymore as there's absolutely nothing I, you, can tangibly do to change anything. Hard not to though. Even getting into politics or involving yourself in charitable efforts would have essentially no effect. It's just sad. I have been looking at and paying attention to coverage of Afghanistan and beyond the fractured, hypocritical geopolitics, my main thoughts are just with the regular populace who simply want a normal, fair life where they're not in fear of oppression, violence, killing, the dogma of internal extremists and the manipulation of external states

 

I understand where you're coming from but to me it's just a factory belt spewing out the same product only wrapped up differently

 

That's exactly what it is. Many people look back at Obamas 8 years (with Biden as VP) with rose tinted spectacles.
But he dropped more bombs than Bush, and even ran out of bombs in Syria at one point. He also bailed out the financial institutions that
caused the crash in 08, forced 5.1 million families from their homes in the foreclosures, opened up the Arctic to oil drilling on two occasions,
allowed fracking coast to coast. Promised to close Gitmo and obviously never did and oversaw a torture programme. There's other **** too,
but the point is.......nothing really changes President to President. They just like to give that impression.

 

I agree. Perhaps I wasn't clear - I wasn't defending Biden as such, just saying that imo he doesn't make Trump look any better. He has a little more gravitas than Trump, and I prefer that to clowns such as Trump and Boris, but ultimately the practical effect is the same.
The foreign policies of countries like the US (and us) tend to roll on regardless of who is theoretically at the helm.

 

Harsh as it sounds, ignorance is bliss. By that I don't mean let's ignore the poor and disaffected etc. Rather I mean that I gave up watching the news and reading news online so that I didn't have the worry and feeling of complete helplessness about the state of things.

 

To be honest mate, it's the best way.

I've found rather than focusing on politics and international affairs which is just depress I've tried to help out a bit more in my local community. Be a bit nicer, more personable to people I see on the street, it's had a reasonable effect, certainly made a small difference to where I live and definitely makes me feel better.