Poshminx - I can now go on holiday safe in the knowledge that you can be my understudy here as the voice of reason.
Poshminx - I can now go on holiday safe in the knowledge that you can be my understudy here as the voice of reason ( I can't give you more rep - because the system won't let me rep you twice in succession - so stop being so deserving !) & look what you made me do - double post. ( IT shame )
Ah - schoolteachers - don't you just love them ? ( I know he's only a fictional teacher - but in light of this thread it seemed right to upload the story ) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22806885
Didn't he plead guilty? To me that would suggest that he does understand the seriousness of what has occurred. I think that your assumption that he wouldn't report signs of abuse is spurious, seeing that there is no evidence that he wouldn't. Please note that I am not defending child abuse I am merely trying to see the other side. Ps I do live in Yorkshire and certainly would not like this man working in my local schools
Pleading guilty when caught red handed is hardly a sign of taking the issue seriously ..... Seeking help from a professional prior to being caught might have shown more understanding
Difficult topic to debate and to be able at the same time stay level headed and reasoned about it. I'm siding with minxy's views on the topic. I'm great believer in freedom and not belonging to a controlled state. So this crosses a few moral boundaries for me. However, I also believe that a person's way of thinking, state of mind, personal instinct, whatever you want to call it, is unlikely to change in their lifetime. Even with professional help. You might be able to make them lesser of an evil but I doubt you can eradicate their mindset completely. Hence why I understand where minxy is coming from. Although I have to be careful here not to become a box thinker - minxy knows what I mean. So looking at it from a very different and obtruse angle. Her indoors is strongly viewed, minded towards animal welfare and she will rightly or wrongly category people that cause harm to animals. Does a person who works in a slaughter house go on to cause harm to animals or even humans. Knowing her indoors as well has I do, she would say yes to that scenario. Bear with me... The problem becomes when you get a person with a seriously sick mind that then turns their attention to children. Research April Jones and where that sick...(no swearing) previously worked according to the media. I will openly admit, I shed a tear, not for the family or anyone else but what that poor child must have gone through. It just makes me feel so ill. Sorry I know that is a generalisation and it certainly does not make every slaughter house worker a killer (although her indoors would disagree) but every killer, every child abuser generally has a background and a pattern that fits those so accused and found guilty of such crimes. So for fairness of balance and looking at BSG's point of view for a moment, where and how far do we go with all this. The last thing you surely don't want is to push those guilty of such crimes underground. I noted after the Woolwich killing of a soldier, that the specialists were saying that this was unusual because there was no background evidence of the killers to suggest this was going to happen. Then the can of worms opened and it started to contradicted what the so called professionals had earlier suggested. Kenya. The same I think was said of April Jones killer. Reread earlier. However, getting down to the main crux of the matter, would I want that person being discussed working with my child. The simple answer to that is No.
Why did the police look at his computer in the first place? Surely he must have been suspected of something for the police to look at his computer.
This chap maybe a nice bloke & people feel he deserves another change ..... I don't know. There will be others teaching around that area with far worse stuff on their computer or in their conscience ..... Most probably What I do know is that professionals working with children or vulnerable adults will realise their responsibilities to act in a responsible way not only in their work lives but also in their private lives. I work with children .... I have a professional qualification ..... If I were to chose to download child porn for my pleasure & someone found out ..... I would lose my job & my registration & rightly so. I wouldn't want it any other way. We all make choices in life ..... he knowingly made the wrong one .... There needs to be clear consequences This bizarre decision muddies the waters & sets an awful precedent for other like minded people
Why is this thread getting so serious? Now that I'm older here's what I've discovered: 1. I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it. 2. My wild oats are mostly enjoyed with prunes and all-bran. 3. I finally got my head together, and now my body is falling apart. 4. Funny, I don't remember being absent-minded. 5. Funny, I don't remember being absent-minded. 6. If all is not lost, then where the heck is it ? 7. It was a whole lot easier to get older, than to get wiser. 8. Some days, you're the top dog; some days you're the hydrant. 9. I wish the buck really did stop here; I sure could use a few of them. 10. Kids in the back seat cause accidents. 11. Accidents in the back seat cause kids. 12. It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere. 13. The world only beats a path to your door when you're in the bathroom. 14. If God wanted me to touch my toes, he'd have put them on my knees. 15. When I'm finally holding all the right cards, everyone wants to play chess. 16. It's not hard to meet expenses . . . they're everywhere. 17. The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. 18. These days, I spend a lot of time thinking about the hereafter . . .I go somewhere to get something, and then wonder what I'm "here after". 19. Funny, I don't remember being absent-minded. 20. HAVE I SENT THIS MESSAGE TO YOU BEFORE..........?????? Just grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fortune to remember the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference
Sorry grumpy ..... thought this was a debating thread Will climb off my soapbox now & enjoy your post
Poshminx - don't worry about grumpygit - he never says anything that is funny or wise - and if he did he'd become absent minded 3 seconds later.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22810180 BSG - no disrespect my friend, but I won't be looking at this from his point of view
Apologies but I hope that bastard gets everything he deserves when he's inside, and I hope his stay is every bit as terrifying for him as it was for the poor girl
There are so many of these creeps around it is unreal I hope he has a really bad time inside the evil piece of work.
Wow this thing has run.... Ok like I have said before I do not condone what the man has done, nor can I understand his actions, but he has been caught and punished and is now starting the most important part, his rehabilitation. As part of this he has clearly been assessed by people who are (dare I say it) more qualified than us to pass judgement and has been shown not to be a threat to children (there words not mine). That is the law as passed by the judicial system in this country and there it is should end. Poshminx - you have said that there should be consequences for his actions and there clearly has been, but now he has served his punishment, as determined by the laws of the land, and should be allowed to continue to live his life. I can understand your concerns and the "what ifs" but you are guilty of punishing him for a crime has not committed, while he has downloaded the images he has not been found to have actually commit any indecent acts with minors nor is he seen as a threat to children and this has been reflected in his punishment, in other crimes we distinguish between the two, handling stolen goods / theft and drug use/drug dealing. You cannot punish someone for something they have the "potential" to do, I like a drink but I also drive, so I have the potential to drink and drive but I can't be banned from driving just for that. Always - the second story is completely different, the man in that case has physically attacked a child and has been rightly punished for it.
BSG Question : ( hyperthetical situation ) Say you had to engage the services of a child minder. Lets pretend that there were only two candidates 'suitably' & exactly identically qualified. Say you was aware that one of them had looked at child porn on the internet, whilst the other had not. Tell me in all honesty which one of them you would trust to safely take care of your child ? Guess which one 100% of parents would choose ? I could make your choice a little more difficult by saying that the one who had viewed child porn had been convicted of perverse sexual behaviour - and had 'served' his punishment.
BSG Question : ( hyperthetical situation ) Say you had to engage the services of a child minder. Lets pretend that there were only two candidates 'suitably & exactly identically qualified. Say you was aware that one of them had looked at child porn on the internet, whilst the other had not. Tell me in all honesty which one of them you would trust to safely take care of your child ? Guess which one 100% of parents would choose ? ps - a pleasant change from supermarket or roundabout rage ! pps - sorry about the double post - my typing skills are suffering from a lack of decent football
Always I agree with your sentiment, I obviously would choose the one how had not viewed child porn, but that is different to the system or the state from restricting the other child minder from earning, or trying to earn an living doing something that the have trained to do.
