I will never understand why people boo and jeer,but that’s up to them,as I’ve never done that. I really couldn’t see the point in booing VVD on Sunday as it was never going to affect him as he never wanted to be here so booing him was going to be water off a ducks back. But getting back to your point,what troubles me about our board is they employ managers but want complete control on them. Hence why they employed Puel then Pellegrino because of the control factor. Koeman I would imagine was a complete different beast,but why don’t they indicate at interview stage “ we do it our way” and not you’re way. We know best attitude from Reed has got us into the deep ****.
Personally I don’t think the manager is at fault,the problem we have is a club who has to have a manager who is controlled by strings,and I would imagine he’s not allowed to have his own opinions. Hence why he was employed and not someone who was going to put up with Reed and co. Managers ain’t managers anymore,clubs want “coaches” now and the club buys the players and you coach. We don’t want you’re input just coach.
I've never agreed with that. No way does Reed want to control the manager or pick the team or any of that bollocks. Everything has started to unravel since Paul Mitchell left so it seems to me like he was the one who was very good at his job and Reed was the front man for that side of things so also got a lot of credit. Reed did well when we rose up the leagues, but maybe it has just gone a bit stale and is time for a change, it happens.
Well if you’re point is correct,Mitchell left his post @ TH and currently available? Why doesn’t Reed and co recognise what Mitchell did for recruitment and try and get him back on board. Pochettino was obviously a fan that’s why TH got him in,so he’s obviously someone whom has an eye for talent,or are we just to trust Reeds eye?
As you said before, football has changed ,especially the managers role. Most clubs now will have a recruitment panel or something similar which will involve the manager but he won't have complete control over it. I think it is a good idea personally as if you have a director of football with a clear vision of how the team should play then he can bring in players/manager to suit this. As for Mitchell when he left Spurs I thought we should try and bring him back, no idea if we did and he didn't want to or any other reason. He has joined RBL now anyway so way out of our league.
Au contraire 'Legacy' that is EXACTLY the opposite of being 'unrelated'.......... Do you honestly believe that the bile & angst shown within social platforms does not translate to the 'toxic atmosphere' inside St. Mary's? At least two of the first tem squad have 'tweeted' themselves, that the team has been affected by the barracking that both players & club employees have been getting. It is impossible to attempt to 'build a fortress' at home if a number of fans 'vent their spleen' at the first mistake, is it not? Or do you believe that 'trashing' a club for five, six days,it is the easy to turn on the positivity; that was always the strength of the Saints fan base of relegation battles past.
You’re tarring everyone who criticises the club with the same brush as those who boonand jeer at matches now. That is a bit of a stretch. If you have been going to watch Saints as long as you claim you will know that there have always been a minority of fans who do nothing but complain, pick on certain players as scapegoats, and boo and shout obscenities at their own team and management. That has, as TLL says, very little to do with what is written on social media and forums like this. All of us on this board have views on what is wrong at Southampton Football Club, but to suggest that criticism of the team or management is in any way responsible for the mess the club is in at the moment is ludicrous.
Blaming the atmosphere on social media? That's a new one the atmosphere is **** because we have people who don't want to sing and an entitled fan base. And yeah people shouldn't be booing or abusing the players on twitter etc. But you seem to be looking at it as black and white as in if you don't support the board then you must be one of those just mentioned. The reality is there's only a handful at each end of the scale and the rest of us sit in the middle. Just because I criticise Les here it doesn't mean I'm somehow part of the atmosphere problem and it doesn't mean that I don't support the team in the ground. That's nonsense.
Sorry mate but I don't buy that. I never hear these conversations you speak of in and around the ground when I go. Maybe that's just you old ****ers in the Chapel In seriousness though I take your point in regards to negativity breeding negativity etc. But I think you vastly overstate the impact. When everything waa really positive the atmosphere was still ****e at St Marys. Why? Because we have a pretty poor fanbase outside the core and the demographics of supporter has changed in that it's unaffordable for a lot of people who would go and sing. I also still think we have a lot of people attend who are football fans more than Saints fans and I guarantee that if we go down the matchday atmosphere will improve. Sorry that turned into a bit of a rant
Don’t agree (about the support- it was a rant, obviously). When we were winning more games, and more importantly playing with a lot more swagger, there was a great atmosphere at St Marys. How long has it been since we sang, “We are Southampton, we play on the floor” ? Frankly, I find it difficult to sing about our style atm. But here’s the thing. Is there any difference between booing a player who loses possession on the pitch, filling his Twitter feed with bile or coming on a message board and suggesting the player can “do one” or f-off? Not to me. I am not blaming social media for the terrible support directly but it adds to the toxicity. Why do so many fans feel the freedom to boo their own team and shout obscenities at individual players, without caring if that undermines their performance? And I know that the next post will say “pardon me for having an opinion” but here I would simply ask, where is the line between criticism and abuse? Lately I have seen more of the latter.
Imo Les Reed is ruining my club,that’s my opinion and I wouldn’t side from that,but that doesn’t mean I go with my lad to jeer or boo,imo those who do that really need to understand what a detrimental impact they are having on the team. But if that’s what they are set on doing then you ain’t going to change their minds. Me I don’t
Legacy: it's unaffordable for a lot of people who would go and sing. Interesting concept that you can sing if you are poorer. Doesn't explain why I have a voice like a crow with laryngitis.
Perhaps worded badly but what I mean is the demographics of the average supporter has changed massively. I hate the term but will use it as I can't think of a better way to get my point across but supporters were traditionally 'working class' and a lot of these people are priced out of going regularly. If you're quite young, living alone on minimum wage there's absolutely no way you can afford to go to football regularly. I believe the club needs to address prices regardless of whether we go down or not.
Never booed and never will. But you can tell something is wrong at the club as we are well you know in relegation.
In the first season, maybe. I don't remember it being all that generally tbh bar big games. Maybe I was unlucky in the games I went to
January onwards it was pretty good, once we went on that run in the second season...but we do only sing when we’re winning.
