As far as I recall CTWD agreed to merge with the Tigers Trust to become a new supporters trust. As such the movement of E1 to E3 to the North Stand is a legitimate issue for the new CTWD committee to have a view on. Whether it chooses to do so is up to them. I would have thought not consulting those currently sat/stood in those areas would be a concern to them as well as issuing the letter immediately after the Cup final. I don't think the club will have any problem talking to individual members of the CTWD committee about a variety of issues. It may well turn out individual members of the old and/or new CTWD committee played an influencial role in the changes.
The club may not have issues with individuals but not if they are anyway representing supporters. CTWD will never be able to represent the supporters to the club officially, whilst the Allam family are in charge.
We decided at our FGM to ballot our members on becoming a supporters trust, but that hasn't happened yet, as the Tigers co-op need a new constitution drawn up to allow it to happen. When they are in a position to move forward we will ballot our members and if they wish to proceed we will become a supporters trust and our remit will expand, until then we remain a name change campaign group. Unfortunately, the club are currently calling themselves Hull City Tigers, without FA permission and they are applying to be Hull Tigers again for next season, so this nonsense is far from over. While we remain a campaign group, the club are in no hurry to talk to us about anything and that would obviously include the positioning of the away fans. We are conscious of not being seen to simply oppose everything the Allam's are doing, our prime concern is with the name of the club and that will remain the case. We decided to make no comment on the price increases, as frankly, they are not out of line with other Premier League clubs and though we think it could have been handled better(ideally with a staged increase and more notice), it wasn't something we felt we could realistically do anything about. With regard to the moving of the away fans and the inconvenience caused to those being forced out of E1-E3, we haven't even discussed it and as a consequence I'm unable to give a CTWD position on it. As far as I'm aware, we not have not been contacted by any of our members by email, or via social media, regarding this issue and though we haven't discussed it, I am aware that several committee members and sub-group members are in favour of the change and think it will in time improve the atmosphere at the KC.
What is clear is a small faction of our support still snipe at CTWD and the club continue to handle change badly yet by your response here OLM the CTWD group rise above it and portray nothing but diplomacy and common sense, well done Sir.
Quick question for you then, currently you're still CTWD, the campaign group, single issue, the name change. Plan is to create the Supporters Trust by merging with the Tiger Co-Op. Supporters Trust I assume would be aiming to represent fans independently and to create a foundation for a possible fans share of ownership. Something like that. Fair enough, seems simple enough. However, when you DO turn into a Supporters Trust, what happens to the campaign versus the name change side of things?
The whole problem now is the relationship between the club and the fans is not good , where is the consultation ? Who is the fans liason officer at the club ? Do the official supporters club still exist in any form or did they self-destruct over the name change fiasco ?
Until the name change issue is concluded one way or the other, it's obviously going to be very difficult to establish a supporters trust that will appeal to fans across the board. Ideally, the FA would tell AA that he's wasting his time(and theirs) by applying again and he'd bin it, but that's unlikely to happen and we can only play the cards we're dealt. The aim is to become the independent voice of the fans, we don't see a realistic possibility of any fans share of ownership(at least under the current owners), but we do believe we can put forward ideas to move the club forward. The club is currently completely disconnected from the fans, this really needs to change and hopefully the Allam's will see this in time and future consultation will avoid the timing issues and resentment caused by things like the recent changes.
What is also clear is that some fans will snipe at AA when he changes his mind whilst not sniping at CTWD for doing the same thing.
So you will all leave it and not get involved with anything else if/when the name issue disappears then? You know the 'single issue' situation.
Ok cheers for the response. That's what I thought too. I'd like to be involved in a Supporters Trust but only if it's not linked to CTWD in its current guise, and if it were able to forge positive links with the owners & club, so I guess it's a case of waiting to see what happens.
I personally do not see that the FA can stop a club from omitting parts of its name. They can stop Hull Tigers but for the life of me I cannot see how they can stop Hull City Tigers being used by the club. Hull City will still be used officially but other than that..... Just using the tiger emblem is a real masterstroke IMO. No words, just the tigers head, simple effective branding, it does not need anything else. In a footballing context it works. What would happen if the club just put Hull and the emblem everywhere?
Asking on this forum is far from the only thing some of us are doing and a lot of what I've done has been well out of the public gaze, but I see no problem in raising it, even though I expect some interuption and some defensive comments. Yep, I've made my feelings known to the Club, and myself and several others have got together and, with support from the Club are hopefully making best of this mess. I genuinely feel the club are doing what they think is best, but have been given poor advice on what they think fans want. Yep, I'm a member of CTWD, and Yep, I have raised it with people associated with them (and FLAG), but they said they would not get involve because they knew about the possibility of a move and in fact support it (but I'm unclear on what fans mandate), plus CTWD said they're solely a single issue group, which confuses me a little given the last meeting, but I could well have misunderstood.
The club were already warned about referring to themselves as Hull City Tigers last season, as it's not the club's name, they could be in trouble if they continue to do so. I expect when the new shirt is revealed next month, the badge will say Hull City Tigers on it. I expect every reference to the club will be Hull City Tigers, the badge, the programme, everything that the club puts out, the only time we will be called Hull City is on the fixture lists and tables, as the Allam's can't control these. AA regularly states that nobody can tell him what he can do, he thinks that includes the FA, I think he's wrong.
Why should we care what the club think, after all they don't give a jot as to what the fans think. As to the stand issue I was under the impression that it was something that the majority of fans wanted so why would they need to comment.
OLM, can you possibly reassure us CTWD members that you will stem the tide of ever increasing political tirades at your meetings?
