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THE RESULTS... Neither strong nor stable

Discussion in 'Watford' started by yorkshirehornet, Jun 8, 2017.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering if it was Sturgeon hiding after such a bad result for the SNP but realised the person was a normal height.
     
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  2. yorkshirehornet

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    The grim reaper come for may?
     
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  3. Markthehorn

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    So what are the DUP like?

    Pro Brexit I believe but what else...
     
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    They have known Orange Lodge members working as MPs. Ironic that a campaign which started by the Tories trying to smear Corbyn because he once talked to Northern Irish terrorists should end with the Tories talking about a possible coalition with a party started by Northern Irish terrorists. The party was founded by Ian Paisley, is supported by all 3 unionist paramilitary organizations in Ulster - Orangemen to the core, and probably the most right wing party in the UK. They also don't believe in global warming, gay rights, abortion or evolution. That they are the only party in the UK. prepared to go into coalition with the Tories tells us a lot about the present state of affairs in the UK.
     
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  5. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    He is likely however to have a decent majority.
     
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  6. Bolton's Boots

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    Well you might get an idea when the Orange marches start near you in a month or so - but don't get too close...
     
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  7. Markthehorn

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    Old fashioned with out dated ideas then?
     
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  8. superhorns

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    Previous French governments had decent majorities, it did not stop them all ending with humiliating capitulation when faced by organised labour.
     
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  9. colognehornet

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    Despairing attempts at changing the subject here - if you keep bringing France into every discussion about British politics I will do the same with Germany. Getting back onto track - has your party become so low that coalitions with Orangemen are the order of the day - or are they the only UK. party prepared to have anything to do with the modern Tories ? Do you support this alliance ?
     
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  10. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There will be problems that any government will have to face, but that is better than having a leader who has been humiliated at the polls and has no public backing.
     
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  11. superhorns

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    If you bother to read the thread the subject of France was brought up by OFH, try to concentrate.
     
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  12. superhorns

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    I cannot remember any UK government being bullied by organised labour like the previous French governments. They all start with good ideas to implement reforms but give up once faced with opposition. Do you expect the inexperienced Macron to buck the trend? He is extremely unpopular with the left wing, I suspect they are just waiting to ambush him on his first attempt.
     
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  13. oldfrenchhorn

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    I can remember it happening, but that is something from the past. While governments try to live in the past they always fail. The world is constantly changing, and some manage to keep up while others don't. There are far to many politicians who are well past their sell by date, yet still think they speak for the people. It has been clearly shown they do not. Carry on living in the past if that makes you happy, but the total chaos that now exists within your party is a lesson that can be taken to heart, or just ignored in the hope that things will get better.
     
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    I hate to say this Guys but 800k more people voted for the Torys than labour so they did win
     
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  15. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    How many more people voted for Clinton v Trump. 3M I think, so she won?
     
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    You are about right but it was only the wacky ones on the west coast that wanted her LOL
     
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    Serious point. We all watched the press in the weeks leading up to the election putting their own views forward, some of them quite extreme. Looking at some of the headlines for the Saturday editions, they appear to be changing their tune, being critical of the Tories, without a clear message that the party aided by them have made a mess of it all. Many young people who do not have the papers are believed to have voted, often inspired by social media. All of the parties invested heavily in social media advertising, suggesting that is where you need to go these days. I wonder if the days of the press barons trying to influence the public to their way of thinking is coming to an end.
     
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    2.5% of the vote gets 50+ seats more for the tories. (Approximately without double checking).

    And she jumps into bed with a bunch of christian fascists with more in common with the current bunch of religitard incumbents on your side of the pond than any sane party on the U.K. mainland. The hypocrisy set against Corbyn's Sinn Fein sympathies is staggering. It's disgusting.
     
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    This election has told us many things Frenchie. We now know that the young can be mobilized to actually go out and vote - is this a precedent or a one off ? We know that Labour can actually achieve a good result (40%) with a left leaning programme (Blair and Kinnock take note - along with many others in the Party). We know that Corbyn is there to stay as Labour leader and, can come over as a good statesman - the Tories will be in no hurry for a re run of this election. The Tories know that TM. is an electoral liability - but how often can they change their leader and retain credibility ? There is the suspicion that if the entire PLP had been behind Corbyn from the beginning that they could have won this, and they will certainly consider themselves favourites next time around - how must people like Blair be feeling now ? We also know that it is possible for a politician to 'come over' to the electorate, even though most of the media were against him. If first time voters continue to go to the polls, and get their information from other sources than the newspapers, then it could be that their role will diminish slightly. It is a known fact that compulsory voting (as in Belgium, Luxemburg) helps the left because it ensures that voting is spread over the entire age spectrum - and the youth (because of their way of gathering info.) are less open to state propaganda.
     
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    Not disagreeing colognehornet but you and earlier OFH raise a serious concern here. The press barons may not be nice people and have their own agenda. But the internet as an alternative could turn into something far worse. Just look at how it is used to raise an army of blood thirsty killers from the vulnerable/disadvantaged/insane in society.

    I think what we need is better broader education where the youth develop with minds far more open than their parents or religious influencers might wish. And far more open public debates.
     
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