The Referee Decisions Thread

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District Line said:
Ivanovic was 50/50, entirely subjective. Some refs would give it, some won't. Torres didn't dive for the 2nd v Hull, but even if he did clear foul in the 2nd half when Ivanovic was shoved off the ball.
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Torres didn't dive for your 2nd against us?

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Though I will agree that it was a penalty later on...
 
I thought Lampard was lucky to get away with his one, as his arm was raised.
Valencia got away with rather a lot in the first half and I didn't think that the cards were handled fairly overall. Atkinson did well to stay awake though, to be fair.
 
And they're moaning about a penalty being given against them that was a clear foul (after being reviewed a million times! <laugh> ) and costing them 3 points, despite losing 3-1. <doh>
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
And they're moaning about a penalty being given against them that was a clear foul (after being reviewed a million times! <laugh> ) and costing them 3 points, despite losing 3-1. <doh>
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That is the problem with these sorts of threads, you can't help being biased. Everyone bar the Goons knows that Kos gave a penalty fair and square and that our one versus Palace was absolutely correct. Not really the Swansea one, but should have had one earlier. If you put Arsenal players in for Spurs ones and vice versa, I suspect I would have been saying what Piskie is saying.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I thought Lampard was lucky to get away with his one, as his arm was raised.
Valencia got away with rather a lot in the first half and I didn't think that the cards were handled fairly overall. Atkinson did well to stay awake though, to be fair.
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How? It was never penalty in a million years. Even Shearer admitted as much.
 
District Line said:
How? It was never penalty in a million years. Even Shearer admitted as much.
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The MOTD commentary team also said that Torres dived against Hull. That didn't seem to influence your opinion then, so why should it influence mine now?
 
Lampard raised his arms towards the ball. It was struck from such close range that his actions were probably interpreted as a "natural reaction" to protect himself, but many of those incidents get decided the other way.
 
Thought I would resurrect this thread based on yesterday's decisions.

I make no judgement, but *pundits and commentators* do suggest that

(1) In the Sunderland / Arsenal match, the Sunderland player should have been given advantage when hauled back by Sagna. He went on to score, which would have made it 2-2. Anything could have happened from there, but it would not be unreasonable to say that Arsenal may have profited by two points there. At the very least, if the player was stopped when there was a clear goal scoring opportunity (duh... it went in the net), then Sagna should have got red not yellow. Again that may well have affected the final score.

(2) In the ManU / Palace match, Young was hauled down *outside* the penalty area, yet firstly a penalty was given and secondly the palace player was sent off. The score was 0-0 at the time, just before half time. There are strong arguments that a penalty should not have been given, and even if so a red card should not have been awarded. This is not even considering Young's ability to be blown over in a gentle breeze, and demonstrable diving to win pens - which actually he was rightly penalised for yesterday, but had got away with several time before.

I am very happy to hear occasions where Arsenal and ManU have lost out as well by refereeing actions (and indeed other team), but until that I am suggesting that Arsenal and ManU have two points more than they should.
 
The Utd penalty was doubtful, Vimhawk, but where your argument fails is drawing the conclusion that it was the cause of the result. I could equally surmise that overcome with a sense of injustice that the penalty had not been awarded, Utd stuck 6 past Palace in the second half. You can't isolate decisions in that way. Palace didn't have a simgle shot on target before or after the sending off. So how would they have managed a point when they lost 2-0?
 
Lidls - IF the ref had viewed the incident differently (and arguably correctly), Young would not have got a penalty and also may have picked up a 2nd yellow for diving and been sent off. That would potentially have been game changing.
 
Spur of the Moment said:
Lidls - IF the ref had viewed the incident differently (and arguably correctly), Young would not have got a penalty and also may have picked up a 2nd yellow for diving and been sent off. That would potentially have been game changing.
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Even as a UTD fan, I have to agree with this
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Refs can win or lose matches for teams and it's damned unfair. In tennis there are replays and points are taken off or kept so why not goals docked if after a replay it's proved that the ref was wrong?
 
Spur of the Moment said:
Lidls - IF the ref had viewed the incident differently (and arguably correctly), Young would not have got a penalty and also may have picked up a 2nd yellow for diving and been sent off. That would potentially have been game changing.
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I just saw a coming together of players. I didn't see Dikgacoi fouling Young and denying him an obvious goalscoring opportunity. But I wouldn't go as far as saying that Young was the offender and dived either.
 
The 2nd one looked like a foul in real-time, no fault to the ref there but the lino should have called it as outside. In fact, even with replays i still wasnt convinced. The first was a correct call, massive, cheating dive.
 
vimhawk said:
Thought I would resurrect this thread based on yesterday's decisions.

I make no judgement, but *pundits and commentators* do suggest that

(1) In the Sunderland / Arsenal match, the Sunderland player should have been given advantage when hauled back by Sagna. He went on to score, which would have made it 2-2. Anything could have happened from there, but it would not be unreasonable to say that Arsenal may have profited by two points there. At the very least, if the player was stopped when there was a clear goal scoring opportunity (duh... it went in the net), then Sagna should have got red not yellow. Again that may well have affected the final score.

(2) In the ManU / Palace match, Young was hauled down *outside* the penalty area, yet firstly a penalty was given and secondly the palace player was sent off. The score was 0-0 at the time, just before half time. There are strong arguments that a penalty should not have been given, and even if so a red card should not have been awarded. This is not even considering Young's ability to be blown over in a gentle breeze, and demonstrable diving to win pens - which actually he was rightly penalised for yesterday, but had got away with several time before.

I am very happy to hear occasions where Arsenal and ManU have lost out as well by refereeing actions (and indeed other team), but until that I am suggesting that Arsenal and ManU have two points more than they should.
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I'm guessing you didn't watch the Man United game lol
 
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