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The Ref Test

Discussion in 'Watford' started by babyhornetdan, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    Several times against Millwall and Leicester Deeney was stood still and the defender would come over the back of him and slam his arm into the back of Deeney. He even tweeted about the bruises he had recieved in those two games. I am happy for a bit of jostling, but this was extreme. As was Salmon when he put both hands on the defenders shoulders and prevented him challenging. This is a foul but he was allowed to do it all game.
     
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  2. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    i will happily have a word with any ref who wants to. But they get scared at the slightest look and cal in the guards. The official from the 'boro game was rumoured to have had a stewards escort from the ground and i have seen a couple who have done. People (including myself) have tried to have a polite conversation and they have been unwilling. And there lies the problem, they are unwilling to talk and therefore cannot explain their decisions. If they did then im sure there would be a lot less ignorance and people would be less abusive.
     
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  3. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    It has been advocated many times before, but I am all in favour of the ref being miked up (as the equivalent is in American "Football") and being required to explain the decision to the crowd. More explicit signals from the ref (as is done in both codes of Rugby) would also help - there was the decision the other afternoon in the Everton v. Liverpool game that disallowed a Suarez netting for which neither the commentators nor the crowd knew the reason - was it handball or a foul? Presumably the ref knew why he had disallowed it - why not a clear unambiguous signal?

    After all we're only the poor sods that are paying through the nose to watch games dramatically affected by the referee......
     
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  4. Charlie Livesey was my hero

    Charlie Livesey was my hero Well-Known Member

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    Hi Fez

    If you read the question it is a direct free kick not a goal kick so it doesn't matter if the ball leaves the penalty area or not.
     
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  5. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

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    Refs just need to be stronger I guess and be brave to send players off for abusive comments or cheating.
     
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  6. HampshireHornet

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    5/12, must tell the wife I'm less than perfect, she's been saying that for years......
     
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  7. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    Both of those would work. Whilst there are clear signals already, they are very general. Like which way the free kick is given, but not what for. Unless the ref feels like explaining it to the player, which they rarely do.
     
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  8. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

    hornethologist a.k.a. theo Well-Known Member

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    Several times Deeney backed into defenders in both games, nor does he play with his arms and elbows behind his back. You need to stop assuming your view of the game is the only accurate one. I'm as biased a fan as the next man but my eyesight and judgement are not only sharp, they coincide more often than not with the other folk who watch in the seats around me. I've no doubt some opposing fans would insist they have players who only ever receive, never give fouls. They are letting their emotions get the better of the evidence in front of them, remembering the occasional bad foul as if it was consistently repeated throughout the game. And incidentally, if Deeney is worried about bruises he should give up professional football and take up knitting. No centre forward should expect to get through a game without picking up some.
     
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  9. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Don't have much faith in this site - got 9/12 meaning it incorrectly marked me wrong for three of the questions. <whistle>

    Trouble is, it doesn't tell me which three - and I didn't write my answers down so that I could check them anyway.:(
     
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  10. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    I never said he was worried about them. Just that he tweeted about being bruised. Also i dont recall mentioning that it was all the time. If i did then i apologise, as i know he does foul the defender on occasion too. We are not perfect after all
     
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  11. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

    hornethologist a.k.a. theo Well-Known Member

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    "every time" seems pretty clear to me...
     
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  12. Jsybarry

    Jsybarry Well-Known Member

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    If a ref commits an absolute howler, I'll shout at him with everyone else, but I've been a ref and so I have a habit of certain decisions where he's being shouted at to think "he's right because..." and remain quiet.
     
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  13. yellotoyou

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    Oh dear 3/12 for me - I was sure I had 12/12 - must be the deaf dumb and blind kid who set the questions!
     
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    4/12. What a strange bunch of questions.
     
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  15. LuxWFC

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    6/12..... League 1 ref apparently. So basically I have no training and am already almost as good as Championship refs. Sounds about right.....
     
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  16. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    Im glad you said that. I was thinking that either I have picked up more than I thought, or it might be easier than first thought.
     
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  17. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    I assume they are a mix of things you deal with every match, and unusual events.
     
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  18. Hornet-Fez

    Hornet-Fez Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Charlie you are wrong. In this case it does not matter if the kick is indirect or not.
    The ball is not in play until it has left the penalty area.
    So in the case of the question the free kick is retaken if it has not left the penalty area, or it is a corner if it did. The question is skewed. And it is probably too bloody windy to be safe to play!

    If the free kick was outside the penalty area and goes directly into the goal then it is a corner.
     
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  19. Hornet-Fez

    Hornet-Fez Well-Known Member

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    Fez is referring to decisions where it is not just a matter of opinion but whether the application of the law was correct or if theye were in a position to make a credible decision. As much as I support my team I try to learn from my 'colleagues' who have reached the higher echelons of the game, their positioning etc. I am lucky in that I have a decent seat in the UR and can generally explain to those around me the reason for such and such a decision and I do my utmost to remain objective. We all only get to see it once in the ground, generally the officials are usually right.
    I stand by my earlier post though, we have indeed had more than our fair share of unacceptably poor decisions go against us. And some of the officials we have had have not performed to their expected level, nor anywhere near.
     
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  20. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    Im sorry, but wasnt that how Paul Robinson scored against us? From a direct free kick outside his area. Arent you thinking of a goal kick?
     
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