I think the Bellamy bashes are a bit harsh, every time he has played for us he has looked good. He was awesome down the wing on Saturday - no way Downing (who I have done nothing but defend and am getting tired of doing so) would have got beyond the full back as much as Bellamy did. If KK is reluctant to play Carroll IMO he really needs to try Suarez and Bellamy up top with Kuyt right and Downing left.
What really grinds my ears is that people go on about Carroll not being good enough to play and costing £35m like it is his fault, who's fault is it really that we bought him for that much and the reason he doesn't start in games like Norwich? Are we all too scared to criticize?
I don't think Liverpool fans are botherd by the price, if that's what was paid then so be it. What we want is him scoring or at least playing well and that is not happening. We will in general be patient. You seem like you want us to admit he was a bad buy and on current form you would be right but most of us beleive he will come good and be a really good player for us.
No, but a supporter of a club that overspent on the likes of Wright-Phillips, Crespo, Veron, Zhirkov, Shevchenko etc should perhaps keep his mouth shut when talking about someone else overpaying, don't you think?
We've played it all wrong. On Saturday we wanted goals and thats why Carrol didn't play. It was a wrong move in some aspects, we need him to settle and benching him was a wrong decision because it added more pressure on him to score when he did come on. I have previously said Saturday's team sheet was not the problem (For lack of goals), I stand by that. But the decision to bench Carrol was pretty poor, had KK stuck with him, he would have had some great opportunities to score because the first 15mins alone had some great play down the wings which could have been met by Andy. He doesn't fit in our style of play in some respects, but there isn't only a few styles of play, we can combine and create our own new way. Team plan vs Norwich Starting line up: Reina Johnson Carragher Skrtel Enrique Downing Adam Gerrard Bellamy Suarez Carrol Game plan: (First half..) First few minutes - Until we get settled: Pass the ball around and get everyone a good touch of the ball, if any solid chances of scoring can be created, only then take a risk of a cross. Once settled: Goal kicks should be played short to the centre backs and then to the midfielders. Full-backs should push upfield whilst the centre backs should play a high line. From the centre the ball should be played around the middle of the field and move gradually to the wings if a chance is made available. Wingers should delay crosses until most accurate cross is possible, if time runs out, pass back and begin process again. Thats our first half instructions. There is no need to rush to score 3 goals in 10 seconds just so to 'prove' we're top four worthy. Patience is the key and as long as we wait until a very good chance then they are more likely to go in, meanwhile we keep possesion, which prevents the opposition from scoring. (Second half..) First minutes of half - hour mark: Increase the pace of the game and attempt more early crosses, if the chance is very unlikely then pass back and begin process again. Hour mark - Full time: Increase long passes from the centre out wide and attempt to cut inside when possible, crosses can be played depending on the situation. I admit the second half instructions aren't detailed but its all situation dependant, therefore, without a clear idea of how the first half instructions have panned out it is difficult to work with. However, the first half would relax the players and take any weight of their shoulders, not pressurising them, making them think if they score less than 6 its a failure, when in the end they will probably draw anyway.. I think Downing's crosses tend to lose accuracy and lack real danger in the second half, so why would you play him first half and Carrol second? Carrol is capable of scoring goals, and I firmly believe if we had gone into Saturday's game with less complacency and pressure, with less feeling of the need to hit six, then we could have had a chance.
Jatt is basically right. The strategy with carroll doesn't make any sense if you want the player to develop. You just played him v rangers midweek to get him a run out and loosen up. Then you drop him. why? I mean norwich were MADE for carroll to play against. Our 4-4-2 destroyed them so the way gerrard and adam were passing the ball was excellent, kut did nothing for me to suggest why he was played. Downing was poor enough on the right but jonhson did well. Again why NOT play carroll weh nyou did play johnson who got 70mins or so to loosen up v rangers. Surely As the same progressed it became more and more obvious that a) our full backs were running them on the wings even if downing wasn't. b) that Dirk with the best will inthe world is someone I'd lve to play against as a newly promoted team cos bar being i nthe box he's pretty much a slow, safe back passer who lets you get your shape. For this reason i'd not have started him but why kenny didn't haul him off I don't get. c) gerrard faded in the second half and was ran out of it. Surely if you were taking aonye off for henderson it was the captain? d) finally... bellamy did well enough but was starved of the ball at times. Why oh where is maxi? at least he can play wide? tactically he aslo got some game in midweek. Norwich actually conceeded a goal on the stroke of half time. whether or not it was lucky or whether or not it should have been no 4 they should have gone in disheartened. They came out and were at us from the off. Why? Didn't our lads know this is what allsides go do and if you match them for 10 mins again their heart will go and you'll mop them up? we gave them ground and heart and the capitalised. I don't see where the need to get six comes from but i did see certianly players lashing at it in good poistions when a bit of calmness was called for. Norwich were rocking and a calm bit of play would have done it for us. Fianlly how many corners and we still have zero threat.
Didn't skrtel hit the croosbar from a corner and a few other of the ones adam took led to dangerous situations.
Yes but there was the threat that they would, Our right wing corners (Adam) looked very dangerous. Just a pity carroll wasn't there to try and take advantage.
I think skertl is actually pretty poor off set pieces and i long for the days of hyppia. I hope coates can take that role on but in the end if you've bought adam.... god... agger, coates, carroll, GERRARD (glaring) we need a threat in the box.
I think Adam has done ok but the word ok is the problem with a lot of our signings. As for Skrtel I'm not a fan and would rather Kelly play in the center or Coates. Would love it to be Agger but he is so injury prone we cannot rely on him.
One thing I noticed on Sat watching the match was that Glen Johnson is not better than Martin Kelly in any way shape or form, he did not deserve to just walk back into the team and was pretty poor on Sat.
I think the idea was to really go at them and that is why he played, and we did. We just needed to score more.
Glen Johnson had a brilliant first half, and a quiet second half, without any mistakes. I don't see how you can blame him really.
Not blaming anyone, I just don't see why Johnson should walk back into the team when Kelly has been quality at right back, imo Kelly is a better player and can actually defend.
Bit early to call him unreliable, I would like to see him back and playing but maybe at center back instead of Skrtel.
Think he would do well, has good pace, would learn from Carra and would get injured less often ( that big fram hurling down the pitch is probably a root cause). Him and Coates could be the next two, or should be rather ( imo).
