Conner I think? you will stay up mate... IF you can play like you did at our place this season and the other week you did hammer us.. then outplay Utd no problems. Wolves gave up weeks ago, Blackburn? what I have seen not good enough would love to see Bolton go down cos I don't like Owen Coyle, nothing personal and, we play them last game of the season. I HOPE that we do turn up and send em down if it comes to that. So we might have a say in who stays and who drops. I'll have a word in Tony Ps ear. didn't see our recent defeat at Wigan Connor but my mates said. You murdered us, so I hope you stay up and either QPR or Bolton go down. (edit) even better both do..
Over the MON Clearly have no idea what the word devout means then? By default, if the guy had cheated/gambled regardless of it being a cricketer or some tramp in ladbrokes, he or she is not a devout muslim. Your argument therefore is null and void and my point still stands, in that there's plenty of people who are deeply committed to their religion inside of sport and would not sign up to the ludicrous proposition that the OP is inferring.
...and religious extremists wouldn't describe themselves as 'devout'? Comparing such situations to a tramp in Ladbrokes is baseless, as that tramp has actively sought to place a bet. Whereas these sportsmen have clearly been appraoched from agents outside of football/cricket etc. So if someone describes themselves as 'devout', that removes all the fallibilty that comes with being human. Really? How is life in that ivory tower of yours, you shiny beacon of virtue you?
thanks mate im confident because players are playing for our team now... but we all know big team are going to come in and nick them all again and we will have to start again
And every single player in premier league history has been happy with this and not come out after retirement and told the truth?
Cheik Honestly, anyone who hasn't read the book I mentioned should take a looksee... Kin hell some of the things that happened at OT and this is from 86 up until 2002 Fergie's first half of his time there. I'm pretty sure that many of the quotes I've read are accurate tbh.. Many from past player's at Utd, coaches, Directors?? Sir Alex rules and they are NOT all lying just can't "tell all" because of being "advised by solicitors employed by Fergie" to keep it shut! Certainly changed my view on Fergie and it's obvious that many of his ex player's don't like him one bit. That's putting it mildly.. I know now why he and Kenny Dalgish don't see eye to eye too!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ing-syndicate-raked-in-a-fortune-2066133.html the floodlight scam happened. but thats bribing a security guard or steward on £300 a week tops, not a profesional footballer making 30,000 a week minimum.
Cheers Steve... As you said "that's nowt to do with the players etc throwing matches"... But still an interesting thought on how far they have tried to go, have they ever approached any players etc.
I think its all corrupt. But then I also think NMG is a sound lad so my judgement is questionable............
Over the MON Seriously...you're actually making me do this? The Quran makes it clear that prosperity does not come through gambling. The position of Islam on gambling is that it is prohibited. Devout adj. Devoted to religion or to the fulfillment of religious obligations. You do not describe yourself as devout, it does not come by proxy, it is by practice that one is devout. If they exercise their living by their religion then they are devout. To gamble, matey, doesn't "go against the grain", it flat out means they're not devout. My reference to the Ladbrokes-visiting tramp was to show it matters not if it was a regular guy on the street or a professional sportsman, as gambling is prohibited under Islamic law. You dug your hole pal, I'll keep kicking you back into it if you like.
TH- So what if a religious text say this that or the other. All texts are fraught with contradictions etc. The majority of religions ask the same of people. Which religion advocates gambling? If someone is going to behave and act in a way of high moral merit then they it has more to do with the indiviuals character than because they are following the rules laid down in a certain book. Particular people who describe themselves as devout would see nothing wrong with: covering up women so they only have eye holes, many wives, advocating martyrdom etc. Yet another person of say the same religious denomination might find all of this morally rehensible. Does that make them both devout, one more devout than the other, one devout one not, or neither devout?
Don't know if this helps... But i live in a mainly Buddhism country......where gambling is supposed to be illegal....yeah right. Everywhere you go, you can find somewhere to have a bet, especially on the prem................ Religion and gambling...................... I wonder if TH has read the Quaran as he claims, and if so why, out of curiosity (which i can understand) or maybe he is a practising Muslim, again no problem, and then he is giving his opinion on his Muslim roots, but not in general.
Religion is afterall possibly the biggest gamble. Pascal's wager: 1. "God is, or He is not" 2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up. 3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions. 4. You must wager. (It's not optional.) 5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. 6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
