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Sidthemackem said:
Soz, Norton. I was taking a tiny bit of the wee-wee. National Socialists = Nazis...
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No, I know. My doctoral research was on National Socialist manipulation of certain branches of science which is why I'm interested in the whole nationalism thing and maybe colours how I think about Brexit, I suppose. I'm no expert on nationalism mind, the research was more focused on the science aspect.
 
The Norton Cat said:
No, I know. My doctoral research was on National Socialist manipulation of certain branches of science which is why I'm interested in the whole nationalism thing and maybe colours how I think about Brexit, I suppose. I'm no expert on nationalism mind, the research was more focused on the science aspect.
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Oooooohhh!!! DOCTOR Norton. I didn't realise we had a PhD on the board. Always knew we were a classy bunch though :)
 
Sidthemackem said:
Oooooohhh!!! DOCTOR Norton. I didn't realise we had a PhD on the board. Always knew we were a classy bunch though :)
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I didn't say I'd finished it! I packed it in eventually and went and got a proper job in the branch of science that it was about. Probably a stupid move as I might be in some university seat by now having an easy life. The lure of making a living was too much at the time though.
 
dansafcman said:
China is one of the biggest investors in renewable energy. 38% of their electricity comes from renewable sources. They're investing more in renewable than any other power source.

Besides which, if USA doesn't sets an example it's much harder to convince other countries to do so. People expect more from the so called leaders of the free world
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they are still massive polluters especially India
 
The Norton Cat said:
I didn't say I'd finished it! I packed it in eventually and went and got a proper job in the branch of science that it was about. Probably a stupid move as I might be in some university seat by now having an easy life. The lure of making a living was too much at the time though.
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I know. I did a degree in biochemistry and even got a paper published as an undergraduate. But it was dosh now or another 3 years as a postgrad and l went for the beans!
 
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The Norton Cat said:
I didn't say I'd finished it! I packed it in eventually and went and got a proper job in the branch of science that it was about. Probably a stupid move as I might be in some university seat by now having an easy life. The lure of making a living was too much at the time though.
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I driopped out of uni as I wanted to make money! My mate stuck in at uni and is now on stupid money, owns his £1.6m house! I dropped out to make a £15k living and now have a mortgage on a £75k house!!(as you know!!) If I'd have stayed with it I may be living in a £1m house with no mortgage!!

And if my Aunty had balls she'd be my Uncle! She doesn't - I don't own my £1m house (or even my £75k one!)
 
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The pressures of 'making a living' to 'make ends meet' :emoticon-0107-sweat

We should (probably) all have done something differently, in hindsight. I know that I should have, and I would have (again probably) been much better off, financially . . . . but I didn't :emoticon-0106-cryin

I'm (and we probably nearly all are) alright, though :emoticon-0105-wink:

Maybe we should all have been politicians (to get the thread 'back on track') and taken advantage of the perks of that environment :emoticon-0112-wonde

Wouldn't it be nice for some (if not all) to have taken that sort of job for the reasons that such employment should be for . . . . to actually help people (in hindsight, that's what I would have liked to have done, though it's not what I was referring to above) :emoticon-0100-smile
 
marcusblackcat said:
I driopped out of uni as I wanted to make money! My mate stuck in at uni and is now on stupid money, owns his £1.6m house! I dropped out to make a £15k living and now have a mortgage on a £75k house!!(as you know!!) If I'd have stayed with it I may be living in a £1m house with no mortgage!!

And if my Aunty had balls she'd be my Uncle! She doesn't - I don't own my £1m house (or even my £75k one!)
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It depends what you do I suppose. If I'd finished my PhD I might have got a university teaching or research position which I would have liked. As it is, I'm working with people with PhDs and its not really given them much of an advantage over me. A large part of my job is research and I get to publish it so I've probably ended up in a position close to where I wanted to be but with slightly less time spent not earning.
 
The Norton Cat said:
I think it would depend what Labour's stance on Brexit was. As a Socialist party Labour should be pro-internationalism and therefore opposed to Brexit. But many of those people who claim to be socialists also voted leave in the referendum. The country is now split along lines that it never really had to consider before.
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Rejecting the EU does not mean not wanting to trade with Europe or remain part of Nato, it means you just think the EU project, euro zone and the United states of Europe is bonkers and doomed to fail. If you force strong disparate forces together they usually explode. Europe might unite in say a 100 years time naturally if politicians stopped forcing it.

If politicians just keep their crave for power and their snouts out of the trough.... allow frictionless trade, business people will trade if they can make a profit, national security services to liaise as they see fit and even allow European universities to swop staff and have students from anywhere... there is no need for politicians to invent "high level" posts and pay themselves high salaries. Or to tax countries like the UK billions
 
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Sunderpitt said:
Rejecting the EU does not mean not wanting to trade with Europe or remain part of Nato, it means you just think the EU project, euro zone and the United states of Europe is bonkers and doomed to fail. If you force strong disparate forces together they usually explode. Europe might unite in say a 100 years time naturally if politicians stopped forcing it.

If politicians just keep their crave for power and their snouts out of the trough.... allow frictionless trade, business people will trade if they can make a profit, national security services to liaise as they see fit and even allow European universities to swop staff and have students from anywhere... there is no need for politicians to invent "high level" posts and pay themselves high salaries. Or to tax countries like the UK billions
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. The EU isn't perfect but, personally, I don't see how picking up our ball and going home because we don't like what its doing is the answer. But that's not what I was getting at. I was saying Labour is in an unusual position because, as a socialist party, it wouldn't normally support a nationalist policy but, as many of its 'supporters' have voted for Brexit, it may have to.
 
The Norton Cat said:
I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. The EU isn't perfect but, personally, I don't see how picking up our ball and going home because we don't like what its doing is the answer. But that's not what I was getting at. I was saying Labour is in an unusual position because, as a socialist party, it wouldn't normally support a nationalist policy but, as many of its 'supporters' have voted for Brexit, it may have to.
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I am a member of the Labour party..an aged one perhaps...but I worked in Financial services in London for years and had a lot to do with trading etc in lots of countries... I even remember working for a British company and trailing around Europe without any problem

Many labour remainers have not known anything but the EU and have swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker that not being in the EU would be a disaster... it is amusing to hear how I am supposed to be the blinkered stupid one...when we first joined I voted yes in the 70s and many socialists were against it (it seems the dear leader has not changed his view). I am all for trade and NATO etc we will be stronger if we all maintain independence working together on matters of mutual benefit... not having a whole new lot of political spongers on top of it.
 
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Sunderpitt said:
I am a member of the Labour party..an aged one perhaps...but I worked in Financial services in London for years and had a lot to do with trading etc in lots of countries... I even remember working for a British company and trailing around Europe without any problem

Many labour remainers have not known anything but the EU and have swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker that not being in the EU would be a disaster... it is amusing to hear how I am supposed to be the blinkered stupid one...when we first joined I voted yes in the 70s and many socialists were against it (it seems the dear leader has not changed his view). I am all for trade and NATO etc we will be stronger if we all maintain independence working together on matters of mutual benefit... not having a whole new lot of political spongers on top of it.
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I think one of the most notable things about the entire Brexit debate is that both sides appear to think that the other is blinkered and stupid. There has been an incredible amount of misinformation and lying from people on both sides of the fence. It seems odd to me that people should be getting so worked up over something that doesn't have a massive impact on the daily lives of most of us. Really, I think, as a country, we should be quite ashamed of ourselves.
 
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