The Politics Thread

[RobSpur]

Not 'in the name of women's rights'. If he did nothing wrong then she is making a fool of herself by complaining. If he made an inappropriate and offensive comment then she is perfectly right to publish it. There are arguments on both sides and no reason to demonise either of them.

There is every reason. Her behaviour was utterly reprehensible.

In response to an innoccous comment, which appears to have been deliberately solicited, she deliberately sought to humiliate the man in the national press, with a view to ending his career.

Your continued defence of her, and indeed open support for her, is contemptable, and morally repugnant.

It further shows how out of touch with reality and reasonableness, your views on this whole subject are.

 

[PowerSpurs]

What relevance is this ?

You are a better judge of how his daughter would feel about this than she is are you ?

He is entitled to do it and I wasn't judging him but I still find it bizarre that any father would do that. The quote comes from a Daily Mail story that contains the information that the barrister had also made similar comments on Facebook which was quoted above and is equally irrelevant. I find it mildly interesting that it is of the same form 'I know I shouldn't be saying this but anyway....'

 

[PowerSpurs]

There is every reason. Her behaviour was utterly reprehensible.

In response to an innoccous comment, which appears to have been deliberately solicited, she deliberately sought to humiliate the man in the national press, with a view to ending his career.

Your continued defence of her, and indeed open support for her, is contemptable, and morally repugnant.

It further shows how out of touch with reality and reasonableness, your views on this whole subject are.

If "which appears to have been deliberately solicited" was true I would agree with you but all she did was ask him to join her network on Linked In. How is that soliciting anything

 

[RobSpur]

I remember reading about the case but not the specifics. I have tried to search for some sources on the interpretation but as far as i am aware, it was a head and shoulder pic according to reports. However, if you have a source showing she was intending to entrap then please do share as it would then place a different light on this case.

I think i remember that he tried to apologise within linkedin through PMs but again if i'm wrong please show me the sources as all the reporting i have seen is pretty vague and all on the side of said female lawyer.

The fact that they were on the side of the woman, whose behaviour was utterly vindicitive, shows how prejudice and misguided the media is on the topic.

As they tend to do, he press takes an angle, and it doesnt relent on it. In doing so it misguides society to an extent where they not only believe an untruh, but they advocate its prosecution.

You are far from the only one they have misled.

 

[BobbyD]

- Have had a look at the pictures, i don't see one with a full red dress, just a semi one which is hardly constitute entrapment.

- However, on the side of the male lawyer SHE initiated contact with him and he responded.

- She goes onto say "My partner gets messages asking if he wants a job at hedge funds, I get propositions from men asking me out."

She is calling for a public apology: "I want people to know that's not acceptable."

- What the male lawyer wrote "Charlotte, delighted to connect, I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect but that is a stunning picture!!!

"You definitely win the prize for the best LinkedIn picture I have ever seen."

"Always interest [sic] to understant [sic] people's skills and how we might work together."

- I can definitely see that he's been hard done by and she's definitely overreacted and i have no sympathy for her whatsoever if she wants to view this as an attack on her. Just my opinion

 

[RobSpur]

If "which appears to have been deliberately solicited" was true I would agree with you but all she did was ask him to join her network on Linked In. How is that soliciting anything

The whole thing wreaks of entrapment.

The woman has gone to the national press accusing a man of sexism and making public threats against him after he called her photograph "stunning".

You don't find that in any way surprising ?

Come on man. Pull the wool out of your eyes.

 

[PowerSpurs]

if you google "linkedin sexism row" and go to images, you will see the photograph she was using.

It's the one in the see through red dress.

The Daily Mail article says explicitly it was this one

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[RobSpur]

The Daily Mail article says explicitly it was this one

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That's a picture that a man would descrive as the best on linkedin, and which the woman in reponse would refer to as "erotic" is it ?

I cant find the article, but I have previously read that she was at the time using the photograph of her at an evening function in a see through red dress (which can easily be found via the google images search).

The suggestion by the way that any woman would wear such a dress at a function and find it genuinely offensive that somebody commented on her appearance is just absurd.


Regardless of whether solicitation of the comment was a trap or not (which it was) her subsequent behaviour is very clearly contemptable.

Good luck to you, your colleagues and clients, if you succeed in your ambition to employ the woman

 

[RobSpur]

He is entitled to do it and I wasn't judging him but I still find it bizarre that any father would do that. The quote comes from a Daily Mail story that contains the information that the barrister had also made similar comments on Facebook which was quoted above and is equally irrelevant. I find it mildly interesting that it is of the same form 'I know I shouldn't be saying this but anyway....'

It's not irrelevant in the slightest, and there is no equivelance between the two comments.

Again you are looking at this, with a jaundiced view and from a misguided viewpoint.

In case a :

- a man has complimented his daughter's appearance


In case b :

- a woman who has sought to humiliate, intimidate and publically destroy a man for complimenting her appearance, has herself been found to have contacted a married man, calling him "hot stuff"


In the first case there are no doubke standards. In the second case - the case of the woman you openly support - there are double standard that are so pronounced as to totally undermine the position she took on the other matter, and to expose her vile actions as a total fraud.

Such vile fraud is typical of this movement that you support. It's plain and simple terrorism, and an attack on our society.

 

[BobbyD]

I'm just waiting for Lenny to come back this discussion

Rob, you got a link to her calling him hot stuff as you've just kind of added that in randomly XD

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The whole article that you quote from is quite instructive
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/...equality-and-why-they-are-not-the-same-thing/
Her reason why she made it public is that he apologised but didn't admit that he was in the wrong. I have sympathy for that view because you often see people saying offensive things and then apologising for offence caused without actually changing their view which seems to me to be completely hypocritical.
What the lawyer said was indeed only mildly unprofessional - "I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect but that is a stunning picture." He later claimed that he was complimenting the presentation of the photo rather than her appearance which is clearly bollocks because no-one would say that was not PC. Bizarrely he also posted the following under a picture of his own daughter on Facebook

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That article is quite instructive, actually. She's a complete misandrist.
It's nice to see it laid out so completely.

I also find it quite hard to believe that somebody that's worked heavily on FGM doesn't think that men have their genitals cut up.
It's normally not on the same level, but circumcision's much more widespread and accepted.

 

[RobSpur]

I'm just waiting for Lenny to come back this discussion

Rob, you got a link to her calling him hot stuff as you've just kind of added that in randomly XD

Bobby, this is a discussion, not litigation proceedings. There is a lot of ground to cover in the wider discussion, and I can not reasonably be expected to substantiate every point as if we were in a trial.

I believe however that the comments are referred to in he following article :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-centre-sexism-storm-said-men-ogled-web.html

 

[BobbyD]

Bobby, this is a discussion, not litigation proceedings. There is a lot of ground to cover in the wider discussion, and I can not reasonably be expected to substantiate every point as if we were in a trial.

I believe however that the comments are referred to in he following article :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-centre-sexism-storm-said-men-ogled-web.html

Of course i don't want to be fact checking and verifying everything little thing. I think that her calling him hot stuff is a very very important point which would go beyond proof that she was entrapping him. It's just i didn't see that part in any article and after the whole brexit debacle with people claiming everything i just wanted to be sure!

Anyway, it was my fault as i hadn't read your line properly. You were saying she has called other guys hot stuff and not this particular incident with the lawyer.

Basically, she's a massive hypocrite and she deffo should not be getting the "positive" publicity for being an absolute cock.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

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Is that the dress? Doesn't really scream professional or lawyer to me, but it's not overly sexy or revealing, either.
I wouldn't say that this photo is an attempt to attract inappropriate comments.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Linked in is a business networking site and people should be treated professionally
Facebook is a social network and so has entirely different behaviour standards.
There is nothing hypocritical in her behaviour

 

[RobSpur]

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Is that the dress? Doesn't really scream professional or lawyer to me, but it's not overly sexy or revealing, either.
I wouldn't say that this photo is an attempt to attract inappropriate comments.

Well tbf PNP, it is a 'see through' dress (depending on the lighting).

Your comment about attracting comments is an interesting one, because she initially made out on twitter that it was him who had contacted her,whereas in fact it was the other way round.

So far as I'm concerned, this woman and her vile behaviour, deserves no further discussion, other than use in the wider discussion as an example of the militant, aggressive wing of the feminist movement, that I find so concerning.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Well tbf PNP, it is a 'see through' dress (depending on the lighting).

Your comment about attracting comments is an interesting one, because she initially made out on twitter that it was him who had contacted her,whereas in fact it was the other way round.

So far as I'm concerned, this woman and her vile behaviour, deserves no further discussion, other than use in the wider discussion as an example of the militant, aggressive wing of the feminist movement, that I find so concerning.

It's not see through, Rob. It's got a light coloured lining underneath the frilly stuff.

 

[RobSpur]

It's not see through, Rob. It's got a light coloured lining underneath the frilly stuff.

If that's correct, does it make her actions visa ve the solicitor, appropriate and acceptable ?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

If that's correct, does it make her actions visa ve the solicitor, appropriate and acceptable ?

No. I'd like to criticise her for things that she's done wrong, though.
He was wrong and she was wronger, basically!

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

All this talk of feminism. Has anyone actually read any? Cos if you think that feminism has any interest whatsoever in "removing gender from society altogether" then you're just totally wrong as far as I know.

Had to do a Feminism module at uni (mainly as the other modules were booked up, and it was literally the only one with any places)

You could tell everyone doing this module for the sole purpose of passing the second year: we were the eight blokes who were getting pissed off at having to be in a lecture hall first thing on a Tuesday morning to hear how all men are aggressive, competitive, and reckless in everything they do.