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Just to add a bit of spice to the American election this year, John Hinckley Jr has been released.
He's spent most of the last 35 years in a mental hospital after trying to assassinate the then-President, Ronald Reagan.
He also stalked Jodie Foster, so I'm sure that she's absolutely thrilled at the news, too.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Just to add a bit of spice to the American election this year, John Hinckley Jr has been released.
He's spent most of the last 35 years in a mental hospital after trying to assassinate the then-President, Ronald Reagan.
He also stalked Jodie Foster, so I'm sure that she's absolutely thrilled at the news, too.
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Drumpf supporters might try and convince the guy that Jodie has not aged well,
and nowadays looks exactly like Hilary Clinton.
 
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The RDBD said:
Drumpf supporters might try and convince the guy that Jodie has not aged well,
and nowadays looks exactly like Hilary Clinton.
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That should be enough to get their heads blown off. He won't like people saying she's aged badly.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I'd be more concerned about the whole shooting people thing, to be honest.
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I'd be more concerned about what could tip him over the edge again to shoot people.
Ms Foster is not helping is she (hope she never said the Reagan incident turned her that way) . :)
 
The RDBD said:
I'd be more concerned about what could tip him over the edge again to shoot people.
Ms Foster is not helping is she (hope she never said the Reagan incident turned her that way) . :)
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I could be wrong, but I don't think that her being a lesbian was the only thing keeping them apart.
Him being a murderous weirdo with severe mental issues and her being a film star wouldn't have helped.
OJ Simpson combined both though, so who knows?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Just to add a bit of spice to the American election this year, John Hinckley Jr has been released.
He's spent most of the last 35 years in a mental hospital after trying to assassinate the then-President, Ronald Reagan.
He also stalked Jodie Foster, so I'm sure that she's absolutely thrilled at the news, too.
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Of all the Presidential elections of Hinckley to be available for, I have to say this one is the best choice...
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Just to add a bit of spice to the American election this year, John Hinckley Jr has been released.
He's spent most of the last 35 years in a mental hospital after trying to assassinate the then-President, Ronald Reagan.
He also stalked Jodie Foster, so I'm sure that she's absolutely thrilled at the news, too.
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Good move by the Americans, a bit of insurance just in case Trump gets elected.
 
EE have informed me that, as of September 1st, the cost of using my phone is going to increase.

If only we were part of some kind of Union that was preventing phone companies from pulling this sort of ****...oh wait, we were, before some easily-led morons who spent forty years reading stories about straight cucumbers in the Daily Mail decided we'd be better off without that sort of protection because it would allow them to finally be as racist as they would like.

Bravo, ****wits, we are literally paying for your stupidity.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
EE have informed me that, as of September 1st, the cost of using my phone is going to increase.

If only we were part of some kind of Union that was preventing phone companies from pulling this sort of ****...oh wait, we were, before some easily-led morons who spent forty years reading stories about straight cucumbers in the Daily Mail decided we'd be better off without that sort of protection because it would allow them to finally be as racist as they would like.

Bravo, ****wits, we are literally paying for your stupidity.
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We haven't left anything yet.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
EE have informed me that, as of September 1st, the cost of using my phone is going to increase.

If only we were part of some kind of Union that was preventing phone companies from pulling this sort of ****...oh wait, we were, before some easily-led morons who spent forty years reading stories about straight cucumbers in the Daily Mail decided we'd be better off without that sort of protection because it would allow them to finally be as racist as they would like.

Bravo, ****wits, we are literally paying for your stupidity.
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Funny that a lot of the attributes you associate with the leavers - intolerance etc - is now being displayed by the remainers toward the people that voted differently. This also includes branding the whole group with the worst characteristics of the minority, which as I understand is the sort of thing racists do. I'm not a racist by the way, I've and am really fed up with constantly being referred to as one. My point of view, as I've stated several times, was anti-establishment (to put it simplistically), and others had all sorts of reasons for voting how they did other than being "stupid", "racist", in favour of higher phone tariffs or being in general a ****wit.
 
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Trump's continued to make wonderfully insightful comments:

On The New York Times:
"No matter how good I do on something, they’ll never write good."
"They don’t write good. They have people over there, like Maggie Haberman and others, they don’t — they don’t write good,"
"They don’t know how to write good."
Ralph Wiggum, President of the United States of America. <doh>

He's also called Hillary Clinton "the devil", claimed that the election will be rigged and insulted the parents of a dead US soldier.
His supporters appear to be lapping all of this up, for some reason. It's bizarre.
 
vimhawk said:
My point of view, as I've stated several times, was anti-establishment (to put it simplistically), and others had all sorts of reasons for voting how they did other than being "stupid", "racist", in favour of higher phone tariffs or being in general a ****wit.
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Note the term "easily-led morons" - which is a fair assessment of anyone who actually believed any of the things Boris Johnson et al were saying on the campaign trail, and coincidentally these people are the Leave campaigners who are most angry because they didn't get what they wanted.

As for saying it was an "anti-establishment vote" that's an example of some of the lame excuses being used to justify their vote, not just because if people wanted to vote anti-establishment they should've done a better job at voting the Tories out last year, but also because that logic is cutting your nose off to spite your face and nothing more.
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
EE have informed me that, as of September 1st, the cost of using my phone is going to increase. ...

Bravo, ****wits, we are literally paying for your stupidity.
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Dear oh dear oh dear.
Perhaps you are now going to be paying the TRUE price of the R+D of the tech,
the economics of radio spectrum acquisition etc, rather than the suicidal ever-decreasing
cost spiral that the real ***wits in the game have caused.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Note the term "easily-led morons" - which is a fair assessment of anyone who actually believed any of the things Boris Johnson et al were saying on the campaign trail, and coincidentally these people are the Leave campaigners who are most angry because they didn't get what they wanted.

As for saying it was an "anti-establishment vote" that's an example of some of the lame excuses being used to justify their vote, not just because if people wanted to vote anti-establishment they should've done a better job at voting the Tories out last year, but also because that logic is cutting your nose off to spite your face and nothing more.
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Anyone who believed a word Boris Johnson said is a moron, I agree with that.

There are however very good reasons for voting to leave which have nothing to do with being a racist or a fool and you really shouldn't tar everyone with those labels. The EU is an anti-democratic bureaucracy that has destroyed vast swathes of Mediterranean Europe. It's insistence on balanced budgets and fiscal prudence at a time of recession divides Economists (Keynes would be turning in his grave) and it gives power to a small group of Commissioners that nobody voted for. The single market is a Capitalist plot to promote free market economics whatever the feelings of the population.

There are good arguments the other way too, but the view that half the population was duped is frankly starting to piss me off.
 
SpursDisciple said:
Anyone who believed a word Boris Johnson said is a moron, I agree with that.

There are however very good reasons for voting to leave which have nothing to do with being a racist or a fool and you really shouldn't tar everyone with those labels. The EU is an anti-democratic bureaucracy ...
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Bit unfair IMHO.
The EU "project" (WTF are they - an episode of The X files ?? :) ) is a system that
suffers the problems of oh-so many systems :

- not scalable
- not agile (fast change is not possible)
- design by committee (hog-heaven for politniks and bureaucrats)
- continual "mission creep"

Difficult for people like me to say anything other than "meh" about how/what the EU is.
 
Brexit happened because globalisation, capitalism and I think now by extension traditional left/right politics have failed the 99%. For generations after WWII people have been sold the idea that freedom of movement and capital, and ever-closer integration of the global community benefit everyone, in reality successive UK gvts. of all persuasions have sold off the jobs and soul of the nation to the highest bidder. Jobs have gone abroad (not always good, well-paid and fulfilling jobs but jobs that people filled with some sort of pride nonetheless) and even though we have an economy heavily based around the financial sector that has been not at all unsuccessful, there is no sense of collective pride and success in Britain any more. Social mobility is disappearing as even those who manage to get through the now promised land of university education and get a good, graduate level job are still having to deal with financial insecurity.

The long-term benefits of this situation (and indeed most of the short-term ones too) have been for the minority of the global population. Mainstream left/right politics is not adequate and divisions upon those lines only help to serve those already in power.

Even if the above is not entirely true it is the undeniable perception of many, many people in the UK (hence Brexit) and the USA (hence Trump). People have been saying this for years and the answer has always been a pat on the head and being told to not worry, the 'cleverer people' at the top will sort it out - the left have become as guilty of this as the right. Those people are now finding ways for their voices to be heard in mainstream, genuine politics and the only surprising thing is that so many people are surprised so many other people think this way.
 
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As with all monetary values independent audit clarifies the value of the company/group and there is a voting age group who have been alive more years than when independent auditors found EU accounts acceptable to be signed off
 
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