The Politics Thread
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To use an old Bob Monkhouse joke, people laughed when Trump and Johnson said they wanted to lead their countries, the people are not laughing now
What was that Starmer was saying the other day about showing effective opposition?
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It reminds me of the Gestapo behind prisoners of war. Silence or be shot!!!!
The guys a politician...this is how the Tories responded to the abstention
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Imagine what would have happened if he had voted against. Sometimes battles have to be avoided to win the war. Corbyn didn't understand that which is why we have the current lot in.
Has anyone told Keir Starmer that being in opposition doesn't mean agreeing with the government for fear of the gammonati calling you "anti-British"?
They're not agreeing, though. Abstaining until the later vote clearly isn't voting for it.
If he's not agreeing with it why has he kicked Nadia Whittome, Beth Winter, and Olivia Blake out of their junior ministerial roles for voting against it?
And the obvious question is...why were they being whipped to abstain, considering the fact that
a.) Labour MPs were whipped to abstain in 2014 for the vote on Theresa May's Hostile Environment measures and in 2015 for the vote on George Osborne's welfare cuts, which handed Cameron two easy and (for all intents and purposes) unopposed victories even though these were the exact hills Labour should be willing to die on - instead it was the hill that Ed Miliband's leadership and Ed Balls' career ended up dying on
b.) Starmer presented himself as being principled against torture, so him whipping his MPs to abstain from a vote and kicking out anyone who disagreed is going against the principles he set out himself while also undermining his claims at uniting the party (which also begs the question why Lisa Nandy wasn;t dragged over the coals the other day for both openly defying him while also sounding like one of Arron Banks' bots)
c.) There's also the issue that "party sources" whispered to the Grauniad that they weren't unhappy at the 18 for voting against it - then Starmer goes and sacks 1/9th of those who voted against it, which ultimately makes the party look less united than if he just shrugged and expected the Lords to do the dirty work so he didn't have to
These days it's saying one thing in the morning, performing a u-turn by lunchtime, tweeting they didn't do a u-turn you made it up in the afternoon and then pretending what they said that morning never happened in spite of the wealth of evidence that they did
Genuine excerpt from litigious TERF JK Rowling's new book
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Even the stuff that isn't blatantly transphobic makes her sound like a complete loon...
Oh look, my sleepy little hamlet is in the national spotlight
I give it two weeks before they start exploiting the dead cop's widow to try and push through the legislation that you get a full-life term for killing a police officer (unless a squad car ran them over, at which point pin it on a bunch of tinkers)
I give it two weeks before they start exploiting the dead cop's widow to try and push through the legislation that you get a full-life term for killing a police officer (unless a squad car ran them over, at which point pin it on a bunch of tinkers)
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Looks like this is the perfect time to bring this up again...
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Because the UK doesn't have enough right-wing media outlets, clearly...