The Politics Thread

[NSIS]

There's plenty of other nuggets of utter ignorance on Neale's easy to find FB page, not least how he keeps throwing around the word "treason" (or as he puts it every single time, "TREASON") yet the only act of treason that anyone with the most basic understanding of UK law will see is some jumped-up malcontent from the Home Counties trying to organise a military coup to overthrow the government - an offence which carries a whole-life tariff if convicted.

So if he hates judges now, he'll really hate them when he hears his sentence...

He's an ignorant twat, mate.

The High Court's sole purpose was to decide a point of constitutional law.

They gave no account to whether the public voted to stay or to leave. Their only purpose was to (quite rightly too!) decide on the attempted use of Royal perogative by May to circumvent parliament.

In fact, one of the judges was a leave voter! A fact that this idiot probably didn't bother to find out!

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

He's an ignorant twat, mate.

The High Court's sole purpose was to decide a point of constitutional law.

They gave no account to whether the public voted to stay or to leave. Their only purpose was to (quite rightly too!) decide on the attempted use of Royal perogative by May to circumvent parliament.

In fact, one of the judges was a leave voter! A fact that this idiot probably didn't bother to find out!

The name Deir Dos Santos keeps popping up as part of this legal challenge, as it sounds a bit foreign.
He was born in Brazil and he's a hairdresser, so they're probably hoping that people will assume he's gay, too.
The bloke voted Leave and is only part of this because he wants it done properly.

How dare these bastards want the UK to follow procedure and do things legally!

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

He's an ignorant twat, mate.

The High Court's sole purpose was to decide a point of constitutional law.

They gave no account to whether the public voted to stay or to leave. Their only purpose was to (quite rightly too!) decide on the attempted use of Royal perogative by May to circumvent parliament.

In fact, one of the judges was a leave voter! A fact that this idiot probably didn't bother to find out!

The issue goes way beyond this guy, though - how many times have we seen people whipped into another Two Minutes Hate by the media in recent weeks? Just this week we've had two, and in both cases the facts were distorted or plain omitted - and, equally, in both cases the so-called "injustice" was in actual fact someone using common sense. In terms of the High Court's decision, the hate is being aimed in two directions: the judges bore the brunt of it from the papers, yet on social media Gina Miller is getting an equal amount of smears as she is death threats.

 

[NSIS]

The issue goes way beyond this guy, though - how many times have we seen people whipped into another Two Minutes Hate by the media in recent weeks? Just this week we've had two, and in both cases the facts were distorted or plain omitted - and, equally, in both cases the so-called "injustice" was in actual fact someone using common sense. In terms of the High Court's decision, the hate is being aimed in two directions: the judges bore the brunt of it from the papers, yet on social media Gina Miller is getting an equal amount of smears as she is death threats.

They excelled themselves this morning. All the rabble rousers were in full flow.

I should think that any leave voter with more than half a brain, which this halfwit, Neale clearly doesn't possess, would be thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with the garbage they were spouting today.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The issue goes way beyond this guy, though - how many times have we seen people whipped into another Two Minutes Hate by the media in recent weeks? Just this week we've had two, and in both cases the facts were distorted or plain omitted - and, equally, in both cases the so-called "injustice" was in actual fact someone using common sense. In terms of the High Court's decision, the hate is being aimed in two directions: the judges bore the brunt of it from the papers, yet on social media Gina Miller is getting an equal amount of smears as she is death threats.

This is one of my biggest issues with the media at the moment.
I'm all for freedom of the press, but they just continually lie.

People can make mistakes, they can have an agenda and put a slant on things.
Reporting's never going to be perfect and I get that things will be sensationalised.
So much of it's utterly dishonest and intentionally misleading now, though.
I'm not sure if it's getting worse or if facts are just much easier to check.

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

Symbols on football shirts?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37872020

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

The arrogance of believing that the decision to leave the EU didn't need to be ratified by Parliament is staggering.

This government has a sad history of thinking that it is not bound by the rule of law (like the rest of us are).

The worrying thing is that when we leave the EU it's pretty much certain that the government will ensure that the power of the state cannot be challenged before the ECHR. So May and her cronies can do what they want. That's not freeing Britain from the shackles of European bureaucracy; that's enabling a tyrannical government to deny any redress to an individual against the excesses of the state. This government has ridden roughshod over the rights and interests of so many that all of us to have reason to be very afraid.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

The arrogance of believing that the decision to leave the EU didn't need to be ratified by Parliament is staggering.

This government has a sad history of thinking that it is not bound by the rule of law (like the rest of us are).

The worrying thing is that when we leave the EU it's pretty much certain that the government will ensure that the power of the state cannot be challenged before the ECHR. So May and her cronies can do what they want. That's not freeing Britain from the shackles of European bureaucracy; that's enabling a tyrannical government to deny any redress to an individual against the excesses of the state. This government has ridden roughshod over the rights and interests of so many that all of us to have reason to be very afraid.

The fact that so many people are frothing at the mouth at the thought of having to...operate according to democratic procedure throws up one obvious question: should I start selling package trips to North Korea? That would certainly give these people a vision of the utopia free of outside interference and human rights that they apparently want.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The fact that so many people are frothing at the mouth at the thought of having to...operate according to democratic procedure throws up one obvious question: should I start selling package trips to North Korea? That would certainly give these people a vision of the utopia free of outside interference and human rights that they apparently want.

This is the most worrying thing about Trump for me and the whole Putin worship that a lot of the alt-right are pushing.
People are genuinely pushing for a ****ing dictator. What the **** is that about?

They seem to think that the requirements for a ****ty cop movie from the 80s are a good thing for a political leader.
He doesn't play by the rules, he's a maverick and he does what he has to in order to get the job done?
Yeah, that's ****ing great if he's Steven Seagal and he's in a crappy, low-budget film.
It's not so good if he's nicking everything in sight and he's the head of your country.

I'm getting too old for this ****.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

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[littleDinosaurLuke]

We always learn the lessons from history, don't we?

After Hitler and Mussolini, It's inconceivable now that the leaders of major nations could be authoritarian, nationalistic, totalitarian, fascist despots, isn't it?

Isn't it?

A lot of the rhetoric about the ills of foreigners, race and religion in the same breath as saying how "we can make the country great again" sounds like the politics of the Nazis.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

We always learn the lessons from history, don't we?

After Hitler and Mussolini, It's inconceivable now that the leaders of major nations could be authoritarian, nationalistic, totalitarian, fascist despots, isn't it?

Isn't it?

A lot of the rhetoric about the ills of foreigners, race and religion in the same breath as saying how "we can make the country great again" sounds like the politics of the Nazis.

And The Daily Mail are still backing the same ****heads, too. Plus ca change...

It's ok though, as we're all going to be saved:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ein-mps-entering-westminster-to-a7397201.html

Sinn Fein will block Brexit with the SNP and Nigel Farage's head will explode.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

We always learn the lessons from history, don't we?

After Hitler and Mussolini, It's inconceivable now that the leaders of major nations could be authoritarian, nationalistic, totalitarian, fascist despots, isn't it?

Isn't it?

A lot of the rhetoric about the ills of foreigners, race and religion in the same breath as saying how "we can make the country great again" sounds like the politics of the Nazis.

Personally I'd go as far as to say politics has rotated all the way back to how it was in the Stone Age, as rather than a dialogue between two parties instead we have one tribe throwing stones at another tribe because the other tribe is different.

That's certainly the case with US politics, which has become so toxic that it makes Prypiat look like a spa resort, and it's certainly been the case over here for the past half dozen years thanks to Cameron and May on one side of the dispatch box, and on the other side the Blairites trying to have the party they want by any means necessary even though the whole reason for Blairites existing left nine years ago.

 

[NSIS]

We always learn the lessons from history, don't we?

After Hitler and Mussolini, It's inconceivable now that the leaders of major nations could be authoritarian, nationalistic, totalitarian, fascist despots, isn't it?

Isn't it?

A lot of the rhetoric about the ills of foreigners, race and religion in the same breath as saying how "we can make the country great again" sounds like the politics of the Nazis.

Makes you wonder why Trump admires Putin so much!...

(As if we didn't know!)

 

[lennypops]

Even for The Mail I thought this was pretty surprising:

http://leftfootforward.org/images/2016/11/rsz_screenshot_from_2016-11-03_131351.png

(I don't seem to be able to upload images.)

I just...I don't...Look - in a few days' time Donald ****ing Trump might be the US President. The UK is a ****ing omnishambles of ****ing madness which voted to leave the EU primarily to achieve ends like "Stopping them African Muslims coming over here". Leicester City won the Premier League. There are nationalist nutters are getting excited all over Europe and now the ****ing Chicago Cubs have won a World Series. I can barely form sentences about this stuff any more.

Sometimes you just have to step back and gaze in awe at how ****ed up it all is. (With possibly the important thought that it's still probably better than at most points in all of history).

 

[Spur of the Moment]

The situation in the States gets more concerning by the hour as the chance of a Trump presidency becomes more likely.
What is really worrying is what appears to be the influence of various strands of law enforcement. The FBI agenda around resurrecting the email issue is transparent and now we have Security sources identifying an 'increased threats of al Qaeda attacks'. We all know whose campaign benefits from raising the terrorist threat!

If only the Democrats had supported Bernie Sanders - the race would already be run.......

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

With any luck, a couple of Mail journalists spontaneously combusted...

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[PleaseNotPoll]

The situation in the States gets more concerning by the hour as the chance of a Trump presidency becomes more likely.
What is really worrying is what appears to be the influence of various strands of law enforcement. The FBI agenda around resurrecting the email issue is transparent and now we have Security sources identifying an 'increased threats of al Qaeda attacks'. We all know whose campaign benefits from raising the terrorist threat!

If only the Democrats had supported Bernie Sanders - the race would already be run.......

Hopefully Trump's going to get a kicking from Latino voters and lose key states.
We don't know what the Republicans and the FBI might have dug up on Sander if he'd won, though.
Probably just repeating that he's a communist forever would've been enough with a lot of independent voters, unfortunately.

 

[NSIS]

Hopefully Trump's going to get a kicking from Latino voters and lose key states.
We don't know what the Republicans and the FBI might have dug up on Sander if he'd won, though.
Probably just repeating that he's a communist forever would've been enough with a lot of independent voters, unfortunately.

I agree. Sanders was never electable, in my view.

The word socialist is enough to disqualify you in the eyes of 75-80% of the American public.

And as for communist!.....!

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I agree. Sanders was never electable, in my view.

The word socialist is enough to disqualify you in the eyes of 75-80% of the American public.

And as for communist!.....!

I like him and I think he'll be a very useful figure in the future, if Clinton's elected.
He's forcing things into the spotlight that are normally ignored and his approval ratings are through the roof.
Being a thorn in the side of the President is not the same as being the President, though.
I think he'd have taken quite a battering in that role, unfortunately.

His political views are one angle, but he's not a Christian or a theistic Jew, either.
That would've been played up massively, despite Trump's similar views on God being avoided or played down.
The Christian conservatives would've absolutely hated him, even more than they do Clinton, I think.