The Politics Thread

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Spurs or Sex? said:
I don't follow American politics but I initially thought Trump was just a gimmick in the early days of his campaign, I even found him funny with the utter tripe he was spouting but the sheer fact there's a very good chance of him becoming president of the most powerful country in the world is an extremely scary thought.

The worst thing for America is Hilary Clinton is the other option, I mean, ****... Just how has such a powerful country allowed two ****ing idiots to be in contention for it's next leader?!
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I think Hillary will be quite good for US.She has the best President for many years as her "First Lady".

Another thing.This black slaves thing is getting a little old.They never mention the white slaves that were shipped to America and Australia.What happened to them?
....and some were children guilty of stealing apples or something stupidly similar!
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
So it doesn't bother you that he's in Putin's pocket and clearly plans to run the country for his own benefit?
He's going to let his own children run his businesses and won't talk to them about his plans, apparently.
Yeah, that's going to happen! <laugh>

He still won't admit that Obama's American and said that he'd go to war with North Korea, who then endorsed him.
He also stated that he'd attack Iran if their sailors made rude gestures to their American counterparts.
He did dodge the draft though, so there's that.
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There is legitimate concern about Clinton and her potential foreign policy and actions abroad. Putin is repeatedly saying that we are heading for war (subtext, we are if certain globalization doctrines continue) but the western media are not reporting on it. Trump would be an isolationist, he has no discernible foreign policy and his half witted ramblings about internal issues and the building of a wall are actually of little consequence on a global level. Clinton v Putin however, that's a scary thought. Given the opposing approach in Syria (a dreadful, unacceptable situation for the people there) and Putin's clear interest in the Middle East, we could be looking at very uncertain times ahead.
 
Shark said:
There is legitimate concern about Clinton and her potential foreign policy and actions abroad. Putin is repeatedly saying that we are heading for war (subtext, we are if certain globalization doctrines continue) but the western media are not reporting on it. Trump would be an isolationist, he has no discernible foreign policy and his half witted ramblings about internal issues and the building of a wall are actually of little consequence on a global level. Clinton v Putin however, that's a scary thought. Given the opposing approach in Syria (a dreadful, unacceptable situation for the people there) and Putin's clear interest in the Middle East, we could be looking at very uncertain times ahead.
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Trump would help Russia out, as he's in their pocket.
That would dramatically increase the likelyhood of war in Europe and the Middle East, not reduce it.

I still can't believe that anyone can possibly consider this man as the President of anything, let alone the US.
If he ran for President of my local Neighbourhood Watch scheme, then I'd be fuming and campaigning against him.
He's utterly corrupt, a complete narcissist, a total bigot and he's bloody orange. He's a loon.

The latest revelation is that he's been misappropriating funds from his own charity.
He paid off legal bills, bought advertising for his hotels, paid fines and settled legal challenges.
As usual, if you want to see what he's doing wrong, then look at what he's accusing others of doing.
 
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I just had to add that this is a man who is pro-torture and anti-freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
He admires Putin, who's essentially a dictator and he has the above traits.
That's a good combination, isn't it?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I just had to add that this is a man who is pro-torture and anti-freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
He admires Putin, who's essentially a dictator and he has the above traits.
That's a good combination, isn't it?
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I'm certainly no advocate of Trump. Irrespective, it's a tragically bad choice between the two but you have to look at the issues rationally. One could argue that a more aligned US and Russia would lead to stability globally, what is your basis for saying that would dramatically increase the likelyhood of war in the Middle East? Europe I can kinda understand but Putin would be mad to extend himself beyond what he has already. America and Russia will never be actual allies and certainly no US president would 'in the pocket' of Russia ...

Trump is a cartoon character and unless the US fail their IQ test also, I suspect there's zero chance of him being elected. This leaves us with Clinton who is a bit bipolar on her intentions in the Middle East. Putin is certainly a nefarious character but it's interesting and important to hear what he's actually saying. Russia has sought to expand their interests under Putin and that has increased tension with America. Shady as **** but also questioning the international sanctions in place in Iran (who Putin has his eye on) and Americas negative influence in the Middle East generally.
 
Shark said:
I'm certainly no advocate of Trump. Irrespective, it's a tragically bad choice between the two but you have to look at the issues rationally. One could argue that a more aligned US and Russia would lead to stability globally, what is your basis for saying that would dramatically increase the likelyhood of war in the Middle East? Europe I can kinda understand but Putin would be mad to extend himself beyond what he has already. America and Russia will never be actual allies and certainly no US president would 'in the pocket' of Russia ...

Trump is a cartoon character and unless the US fail their IQ test also, I suspect there's zero chance of him being elected. This leaves us with Clinton who is a bit bipolar on her intentions in the Middle East. Putin is certainly a nefarious character but it's interesting and important to hear what he's actually saying. Russia has sought to expand their interests under Putin and that has increased tension with America. Shady as **** but also questioning the international sanctions in place in Iran (who Putin has his eye on) and Americas negative influence in the Middle East generally.
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If America and Russia stop pissing about with their proxy wars, then one of them is free to expand.
Trump being insular would ensure that it's Putin's mob. I use that phrase intentionally.

I listen to what Putin's saying, but like most politicians, it's completely at odds with what he's actually doing.
He needs to do something to distract from the economy over there and he's keen to expand his empire.
Their current co-operation with Iran could be temporary. It might not be, though.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
If America and Russia stop pissing about with their proxy wars, then one of them is free to expand.
Trump being insular would ensure that it's Putin's mob. I use that phrase intentionally.

I listen to what Putin's saying, but like most politicians, it's completely at odds with what he's actually doing.
He needs to do something to distract from the economy over there and he's keen to expand his empire.
Their current co-operation with Iran could be temporary. It might not be, though.
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Putin wants his old Soviet Union back.

Divide and conquer. So, divide your enemies and conquer your target(s). While your opponents are fighting amongst themselves, you can get on with what you always had in mind, without any effective opposition.
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
Putin wants his old Soviet Union back.

Divide and conquer. So, divide your enemies and conquer your target(s). While your opponents are fighting amongst themselves, you can get on with what you always had in mind, without any effective opposition.
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Funds anti-EU campaigns across Europe and Trump's in the US.
 
I used to love watching Mick McManus and Steve Logan when I was young and silly....until I went to Barking to watch them wrestle....and found them and their opponents drinking together in the bar! Never the same again.....
 
Anyone watch the Clinton v Trump debate? If it had been a football match it would have been 0-0 after extra time and then everyone miss their penalties. Some US comedian has called it electile dysfunction, because you can't get aroused by either candidate. Surely there should be a 'neither' on the voting form, and if 'neither' wins, each party should choose another candidate. Alternatively Obama should say Trump was right all along and he is indeed african, so in line with most african presidents he's going to have a third term whether they like it or not. He'd do a better job than either of those twats.
 
It's a damning indictment of modern politics that I'm annoyed at the lack of sophistication in Trump's lies.
They're both at it, but his are just lazy and blatant.
I feel insulted that he expects people to believe them.
It's depressing that some do.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
It's a damning indictment of modern politics that I'm annoyed at the lack of sophistication in Trump's lies.
They're both at it, but his are just lazy and blatant.
I feel insulted that he expects people to believe them.
It's depressing that some do.
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It's not politics, it's reality TV. I'm just waiting for the first bush-tucker test. Who will be the first to offer the other a plate of fried insects? One things for sure, I don't think that there will be any live sex in this one unless they focus on Bill in the back row.
 
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deedub93 said:
It's not politics, it's reality TV. I'm just waiting for the first bush-tucker test. Who will be the first to offer the other a plate of fried insects? One things for sure, I don't think that there will be any live sex in this one unless they focus on Bill in the back row.
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The sad thing is that they'd get more voters if it was.
 
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