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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. deedub93

    deedub93 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, he can use for leverage. But, and it's a big but, he has to put a plan into place that will expose many if anything happens to him, and let those most at risk from his revelations know what will happen. That way he will be protected.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

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    Given that he's been arrested and there's an extradiction request from the US, does that seem likely?
     
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  3. deedub93

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    He will be extradited, that's a given. But suicide in a jail cell doesn't actually need to be suicide. It can be 'aided'. Behind closed doors anything can happen.
     
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  4. Spudulike

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    Good day to bury bad news.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    I'll never forget the first time I saw Julian Assange speaking publicly: it was on an episode of The Culture Show about ten-to-twelve years ago where they ran an item on Wikileaks, where he absolutely refused to be interviewed anywhere outside his own bubble so did the whole thing via video chat, he said absolutely nothing of importance during the interview and seemed more interested in making the interview about how great Julian Assange was than say anything about Wikileaks itself, and once it was finished Mark Kermode noted that Assange had uploaded the full interview to Wikileaks to prove...something.

    So no, I was not surprised to learn he's got a track record for being on a narcissistic ego trip...
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    The waffling gargoyle says he will be launching The Britiait Party today

    Unfortunately for Nige, he forgot to register the website domain and Led By Donkeys have already snapped it up...
    https://thebrexitparty.com/
     
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  7. vimhawk

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    It's the modern way to value what someone is saying by the value of the person saying it. That is precisely why if you don't want a person to reveal something you discredit them, so the discussion is diverted toward what that person did (or didn't do). As I said I have no idea if he's guilty of personal crimes, but while this discussion goes on it distracts from what wikileaks has published, which is not what a lot of people want in the public domain. Now he's being released there's a lot of stuff about what a dick he may be, but again that's going off the main subject, or what should be the main subject.
     
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  8. Spudulike

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    Play the ball, not the man I believe the saying goes.
     
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  9. Spudulike

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    Whilst I'd agree it's a mistake not to register various TLDs for your brand to avoid competitors grabbing them (the official site is thebrexitparty.org), this is pretty childish at best.

    Pointless as well seeing it's a single page site that doesn't even rank on Google, so hardly anyone will find it.

    It'll probably get spammed the crap out of and de-indexed.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    What it does do is show a pattern of behaviour from Assange, though

    Case in point, Chelsea Manning was the one who put themselves in the firing line over the Iraq and Afghanistan logs and knew full well that if and when they were released the star spangled heavens would come down upon them, and yet rather than give credit where it was due after they were published on WikiLeaks (and it's not as if WikiLeaks were the preferred source for revealing the files, as Manning shopped them to the Washington Post and New York Times first) instead Assange was far more interested in promoting himself and, if he had time, his site because Manning's files were there

    Similarly, that's the point with the sexual assault allegations (which, contrary to popular belief, the cases haven't been dropped - the statue of limitations is open until August next year, so if he sets foot in Sweden before that period he can be brought back in for questioning) which also show Assange's narcissism, because him deciding that because a woman consented to sex meant he could therefore engage with unprotected sex - even though, under Swedish law, this is classified as low-level rape

    When his narcissism can be directly tied to his personal crimes, meaning that one informs the other, it should not be dismissed when it is brought up
     
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  11. The RDBD

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    The essence of ad-hominem is to trigger emotional response
    rather than risk the cold light of emotionless logic being applied to
    an argument.

    There is a philosophical question as to whether it more often than
    not requires the ego/mindset combo of the Assanges of the world
    to bring us the wikileaks (just as there are studies that have seen that
    sociopathic traits are quite common in CEOs of high-flying business) .
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    Hence the cold light of emotionless logic discussing Assange's narcissism, rather than the ad hominem of suggesting either that his narcissim should not be brought up even though it informs so many of his actions, or the ad hominem of blathering about ad hominem
     
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  13. The RDBD

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    Assange's alleged narcissism is a fallacy to the wikileaks saga.
    Just not an ad hominem one (like the rape allegations against him are) .
     
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    Given that Sweden could ask for extradition, isn't it rather relevant?
    He committed a crime in the UK and has been accused of them by two other countries.
    Whatever you think of his Wikileaks activities, those are the things that matter, aren't they?
     
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    If a classic ad-hominem insinuation (you cannot believe/trust him on
    the wikileaks stuff - he is an alleged rapist etc) is not attempted.
     
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    …...and now! Trump and his gang were turning over the idea to flood illegal aliens in to large Democratic cities! What the **** next?

    "I love Wikileaks!" 2016/2017/2018. "Wikileaks? Never heard of them!" 2019.
     
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    You can't trust him on the Wikileaks stuff because he's incredibly partisan and probably compromised.

    He claimed to have a load of dirt on Russia, then went quiet for a bit, returning on Russia Today.
    Admitted to having a bunch of crap on Trump, but refused to post any of it, as it wasn't worth it, according to him.
    And this speaks for itself: https://www.rt.com/viral/373253-assange-reddit-soros-usaid/
     
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    Nasty bastard! Like Trump....they think they can get away with anything......and it seems to be true!
     
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    <ok>

    It's much easier. Who the hell wants to do anything about what was revealed in the leaks? Far too much effort.

    Posting a picture on social media will get you much further than a load of text on Wikileaks, hence why Abu Ghraib became an international outrage, yet worse events in Wikileaks have been ignored.
     
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  20. PleaseNotPoll

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    It's about focus.
    If someone ****s on your kitchen floor, it's easy to get upset. If your whole kitchen is made of ****, then it's harder to get worked up about it.
     
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