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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

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    Here’s one expert assessment, there’s many, many others. None of them Good!..
     
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  2. deedub93

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    Rules are made to be broken. There is always a way.

    The obvious one is zero tariffs on anything that cannot be produced locally. Then everything is down to opinion.
     
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  3. NSIS

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    Nope!..all it takes is one member of WTO to object to our trading rules and we’ve got a problem

    They’ve already been lining up. Russia was among the first - surprise, surprise!..
     
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  4. deedub93

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    see my edit.
     
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  5. NSIS

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  6. deedub93

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  7. NSIS

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    On the assumption that said imports meet the UK regulations on
    product QUALITY (safety etc - currently defined by the EU) , then the
    reason they are not being currently being bought is due to those
    imports being tariff price inflated (for the typical tariff imposition rationale) .

    So we ask (for each market) what :

    1. % of such goods (in terms of types) are currently :

    - non-EU
    - not manufactured with "state aid" support


    2. the estimated loss in business to UK domestic suppliers is


    I assume you have some "park figures" for some market sectors,
    the UK economy as a whole.
     
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  10. NSIS

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    Every credible study I’ve seen or read concludes that trading under WTO rules would be highly damaging to the economy.

    What ever deals you make under WTO rules you have to offer to all your trading partners.
     
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  11. The RDBD

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    And neither will the UK.

    Nations are willing to do new deals ASAP (the USA) , and some
    (Canada etc) are even prepared after the UK leaves the EU to remain
    on the existing EU trade terms while the successor deal is brokered.
     
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  12. NSIS

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    You can’t start placing barriers to imports without a) running foul of WTO rules b) risking instant retaliation from other countries.

    It’s a pointless and expensive exercise,
     
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  13. NSIS

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    What deal do you seriously think you’ll get from Trump?

    It’ll either be heavily skewed in favour of the US ( take it or leave it) or the deal just won’t go through because of disagreements.

    This is all ignoring Trump’s record of global trade disruption.
     
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  14. The RDBD

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    How does enforcing a domestic quality regime run foul of WTO rules ??

    Your concern is for trade retaliation from a nation that has the resources
    to provide "state aid" for its domestic vendors, so that they meet the
    criteria to sell their products in overseas markets. Correct ??
     
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  15. deedub93

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    I'd like to get some of that wonderful, and cheap New Zealand lamb in autumn and winter that we used to get before joining the EU, and their cheese was pretty damned good as well.
     
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  16. The RDBD

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    Do you believe that all brokered deals for a post-EU UK will be
    materially worse than just doing WTO, or materially better than WTO ??
     
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  17. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Getting harder to ignore by the hour.
     
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  18. deedub93

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    Still 12.4 million less than the referendum, and the poll has been open 3 times longer than the poll was open on referendum day.
     
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  19. littleDinosaurLuke

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    It's an online petition, not a public vote in an election or referendum.
    That level of support for a petition is unprecedented.
    The response is staggering - and the total is still rising at a steady rate.
    It's already 50 times the number required to trigger consideration of a debate in Parliament!!
    As I said, getting harder to ignore :emoticon-0127-lipss
     
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  20. deedub93

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    It has the advantage that a 4 year old can vote providing they have an email address. I signed it as well, because I prefer a WTO deal, I can't see that happening, and I would prefer to remain and fight them from the inside than accept May's Toxic Clusterfuck of a deal.
     
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