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Is Gove a real person?
It's like some odd creature doing an impression of one.
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Who is Tom Newton Dunn? The Sun's Political Editor and, of course, a ****ing Goon. 
He implies that he didn't vote leave and was against it. Maybe he should've done his ****ing job and said so, then?
I can't believe that anyone is this much of a complete tosser.
Not only is he moaning about a result that he helped to create, but he's an Arsenal season-ticket holder, too.
I've heard the Lord Mayor of London may become PM.Well,if Donald Trump can run for President.....where's me mat?
Chilcott time.
Wonder how much of Citizen Blairs' "hard-earned" money from all of those Middle East
"consultancy" gigs he will be giving to the people of Iraq as "full responsibility" ??
Cattle class seats for the next "envoy" trips out that way, eh.
Wonder how much of Citizen Blairs' "hard-earned" money from all of those Middle East
"consultancy" gigs he will be giving to the people of Iraq as "full responsibility" ??
Cattle class seats for the next "envoy" trips out that way, eh.
And it was pure coincidence that all the Labour MPs kicked off at Jeremy "Lock Blair Up" Corbyn last week.Chilcott time.
Wonder how much of Citizen Blairs' "hard-earned" money from all of those Middle East
"consultancy" gigs he will be giving to the people of Iraq as "full responsibility" ??
Cattle class seats for the next "envoy" trips out that way, eh.
Pure coincidence the referendum vote was scheduled 2 weeks before the Chilcott report
was published.
You know, I didn't even consider that. What are the chances, eh?
There was a story going round at the weekend that Corbyn was hanging on until the report came out. Apparently, according to the rumour, he plans to denounce Blair as a war criminal in the commons. Which, he can do without risk of being sued.
You know, I didn't even consider that. What are the chances, eh?
Two weeks before the publication date. And a leave result to boot.
Perfect fodder for those who might be ensnared in what I call the "zeroth law of conspiracy theory" .
Funny how the last two topics in this thread are exactly the same: a campaign founded entirely on lies that lacked a coherent plan or an exit strategy....
Take into account that New Labour is in fact a Tory party then you will begin to understand the bottled up frustration.
I enjoyed seeing Blair squirm and look forward to more of the same.
I enjoyed seeing Blair squirm and look forward to more of the same.
In content yes I agree, but his body language and face were squirming. In other words he is desperately trying to spin his behavior and his head is about to turn 360 degrees.
Labour became the Tories and the Tories moved even further right.
Leadsom's run for party leader looks particularly ominous, as she's supposed to be socially conservative.
I've seen her described as an English member of the GOP or the Tea Party, though her voting record doesn't reflect it.
Blair did not lie IMHO, he committed fraud as he was selective of the evidence he gave parliament. Deceiving people by omission, certainly in corporate terms, is known as fraud.
However, Blair was dammed if he did and dammed if he didn't. Not doing anything would have given Saddam the green light to do whatever he wanted. Furthermore, if Saddam was still there he would been probably overthrown by ISIS by now and had Saddam developed WMD, they might be in the hands of terrorists and the world would be a far more dangerous place than it is now.
On balance and in hindsight, what Blair did was probably right, but how he did it was, and still is the issue. What also needs to be remembered is that all major party leaders voted with the government for war. They would have been party to the same intelligence and all came to the same conclusion. Saddam had a track record using WMD on his own people and could not be trusted. Blair belived the JIC in that Saddam had WMD, and if Blair had waited and Saddam had developed his WMD, our armed forces and other armies fighting in the region may well have been obliterated. However, Blair didn't follow Thatchers' advice that when you form a War Cabinet you do not invite your Chancellor. He clearly let the troops down by not equiping them properly.
Nevertheless, I think the lesson that needs to be learnt here is that when we send British troops into a combat zone, money should not be an issue. They must be the best equipped troops in the world. Additionally, stratigy must be planned, objectives including an exit stratigy are tantamount to a successful outcome and set out from the start. Personally I think that it ought to be legal for Regime Change to be reason for war but I know many will disagree. Some people are far to dangerous to be allowed to destablise the world in which we live in, particularly when the have a track record similar to Saddam.
However, Blair was dammed if he did and dammed if he didn't. Not doing anything would have given Saddam the green light to do whatever he wanted. Furthermore, if Saddam was still there he would been probably overthrown by ISIS by now and had Saddam developed WMD, they might be in the hands of terrorists and the world would be a far more dangerous place than it is now.
On balance and in hindsight, what Blair did was probably right, but how he did it was, and still is the issue. What also needs to be remembered is that all major party leaders voted with the government for war. They would have been party to the same intelligence and all came to the same conclusion. Saddam had a track record using WMD on his own people and could not be trusted. Blair belived the JIC in that Saddam had WMD, and if Blair had waited and Saddam had developed his WMD, our armed forces and other armies fighting in the region may well have been obliterated. However, Blair didn't follow Thatchers' advice that when you form a War Cabinet you do not invite your Chancellor. He clearly let the troops down by not equiping them properly.
Nevertheless, I think the lesson that needs to be learnt here is that when we send British troops into a combat zone, money should not be an issue. They must be the best equipped troops in the world. Additionally, stratigy must be planned, objectives including an exit stratigy are tantamount to a successful outcome and set out from the start. Personally I think that it ought to be legal for Regime Change to be reason for war but I know many will disagree. Some people are far to dangerous to be allowed to destablise the world in which we live in, particularly when the have a track record similar to Saddam.
Sorry, but for me, Blair and the idiot son of Bush have done far more to destabilise world peace than Saddam ever did.
Ok, he was a psychopathic dictator. But by overthrowing him they've opened up Pandora's box in the Middle East.
Ok, he was a psychopathic dictator. But by overthrowing him they've opened up Pandora's box in the Middle East.
So call it exaggeration/equivocation/prevarication. All methods to avoid stating a truth/lie.
But what do you expect from someone who is a lawyer by education/profession.
All I want to know is what the punishment/cost is for a near-sociopath who assumes
"full responsibility" for events in Iraq since 2003 / leading to the suicide of Dr Kelly
(someone who provided an important service to this world) .
His wealth ?? His life ??
Once Saddam had used Chemical weapons on his own people he had to go. If not for the good of his own people, for the good of the rest of the world. Iraq would have become a target for the likes of ISIS and had WMD fallen into their hands, god help all of us. He could not be allowed to remain. As for cost, Blair did what he believed was right by our country and by others, the cost will probably be many sleepless nights with a pletora of thoughts going on inside his head. Believe me, is one of the worst possible punishments a man can have. It's not something money can cure, only alcohol or drugs can temporarily nul the pain, both of which detract from the quality of life. Death is the only real release.
Yes, the aftermath was badly planned or ignored and hence, has ended badly. However, with WMD in the hands of a terrorist group, it could be much much worse. Who knows how much worse it could have been?
Looking at the bigger picture, the action of the US and the UK might actually put-off other dictators using WMD on their own people, as surely, they should realise that it will mark the beginning of the end for their rule. This must be a good thing. The death of David Kelly was sad, but not a world changing event for anyone except his close family and friends. As far as I can see, Blairs' major failure was failing to equip the British forces adequately. He will have to live with that for the rest of his days. Guilt is a horrendus feeling, it can only be cured by the forgiveness of those who have been hurt and I don't see the families of the troops killed in Iraq forgiving him some time soon. I think you will see Tony Blair dying a very sad old man.
Yes, the aftermath was badly planned or ignored and hence, has ended badly. However, with WMD in the hands of a terrorist group, it could be much much worse. Who knows how much worse it could have been?
Looking at the bigger picture, the action of the US and the UK might actually put-off other dictators using WMD on their own people, as surely, they should realise that it will mark the beginning of the end for their rule. This must be a good thing. The death of David Kelly was sad, but not a world changing event for anyone except his close family and friends. As far as I can see, Blairs' major failure was failing to equip the British forces adequately. He will have to live with that for the rest of his days. Guilt is a horrendus feeling, it can only be cured by the forgiveness of those who have been hurt and I don't see the families of the troops killed in Iraq forgiving him some time soon. I think you will see Tony Blair dying a very sad old man.