What actually happened in Ukraine, is that the CIA encouraged a coup against the elected government which was alligned to Russia. The existing arrangement suited Ukraine pretty well seeing as their entire economy was supported by the Russians. Due to american interventionist however, the government was toppled with the people naievily hoping for a brave and bright new dawn, like the peoples of various states in the middle east did when their countries were also ruined by american and western interventionism a few years earlier. The Ukraine is now left in deep financial peril and its people - who are natural bedfellows of the russians and like fish out of water leaning towards the EU - left in limbo and decline. This isn't due to russian intervention. It's due to american intervention. I suggest you get your facts straight. Woth regards to "Putin's crimes", you might like to notice that Putin has spent the last 18 months or so sorting out the mess in Syria that the americans again inspired, and subsequently succeeded only in turning from crisis into disaster. Putin deserves the nobel peace prize for russia's incredible efforts in syria, not constant political claptrap and bullying from the likes of the US Democratic party.
You haven't got that quite right, although others have drawn parallels with historic American interventionist aggression. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5354/why-did-russia-invade-ukraine The bottom line of Putins transparent intervention to usurp the democratically elected government in Ukraine was simply as summed up in the referenced article: the fear of having a NATO-aligned state on his western border, influencing the Russian people.
I have got it right. The president who took power after the coup (note not an election), worked for the US government ! : https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIEV1706_a.html The hypocrisy of the americans protesting about alleged interference in their elections is beyond belief. They are by far the biggest perpetrators of such interference in the world. Except they dont normally bother with worrying about influencing votes, they just inspire or directly cause a violent overthrow of sovereign governments. Like they did in Ukraine.
Unfortunately your link to a Wikileaks document from 2006 does nothing to further the debate - it is simply the alleged recorded comments of a US 'insider' from conversations with other prominent politicians discussing how things could possibly evolve. There is nothing in that transcript suggesting US intervention nor do they demonstrate that the US were subsequently responsible for the internal situation in Ukraine that led Putin to invade Crimea. And let's face it, ALL countries will likely be reporting similar conversations to protect their own interests. However, it does seem that this discussion has veered wildly off course from the core matter of whether a US Attorney General had committed perjury.....
It didnt veer off course. The comversation has identified a) that there is nothing scandalous about a US Senator (or even a member of an election campaign team) meeting with a russian official and b) that there is no evidence that he deliberately gave false testimony, and that he does not therefore appear tomhave committed perjury. As you are no doubt aware by the way, the people,of Crimea voted quite emphatically for Russian governance. Any cliaim that the US did not influence the violent overthrow of the welected government is 'unfortunately' so,ewhat farcical comsidering the continuous anti russian rhetoric coming out of america at the time. Much of which is ebing replicated again with the current ****storm in a teacup. Sorry if this news dissapoints you in some way.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eal-petro-poroshenko-president-dmytro-firtash In case ukraine remains of interest.
Slight change of tack, but saw this clip and it's worth a look at a time when the Trump administration is seeking to rationalise the relationship with China purely on economic grounds, it worth remembering what the socio-political situation is there: Why China doesn't want you to meet 'the petitioners' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39145999
Dmytro Firtash? The guy that worked for the Putin puppet who did a runner to Russia? The same puppet whose records showed $12.7m payments to Paul Manafort, who went on to become Trump's campaign manager? The Paul Manafort that got the sack and then moved straight into Trump Tower?
That ignores the fact that The Crimea was legally part of The Ukraine. Putin illegally invade and annexed it, and then used supposed support from the people of The Crimea to 'support' what he'd done. It's quite simple really, what Putin did was completely and utterly illegal under any convention of international law!.
Where on Earth do you get your information from? It's almost certainly propganda you're reading to get that impression, Of course there are areas of the Ukraine, that see themselves as Russian but the majority do not see it that way and do not want to rejoin Russia. You might as well say Scotland are natural bedfellows with Ireland. If you truly think Russia acted in good faith then why were the 2 options in the Crimean referendum either to join Russia, or to make Crimea independent of Ukraine. Seems incredibly undemocratic to leave out the option of staying a part of the Ukraine, doesn't it? That's before you look at the results, where the turnout was more than double the turnout for most elections and where joining Russia won something ridiculous like 98% of the vote, some 30-40% above previous polling. Then there's the lack of independent oversight and reports of voter intimidation. Syria? Seriously?! They've spent the past 18 months indiscriminantly bombing civilians in rebel held areas and have focused as much on the rebels as they have ISIS. Assad is considered an ally which is why Russia is so keen to attack the rebels, committing war crimes in the process. By no means are the rebels the good guys, nothing in the area is that simple, and I think both America and Europe's involvement has plenty to be criticised for but the outlook you've presented is just ridiculous. There's no polite words for your last sentence, at best it just underlines your complete lack of understanding of anything Putin has been involved in since he sought power in Russia.
Where on Earth do you get your information from? It's almost certainly propganda you're reading to get that impression, Probably Breitbart, or some such far right source.
As much as it was illegal for Russia to invade Crimea, this was definitely the west who began it and geo politics in my opinion. You only have to look at how we want to overthrow the governments of countries who are not in our interests. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq. I wonder which country the west will target next. With respect to the Syria conflict, it's far more complicated than Assad vs Rebels vs Isis especially as the rebels and Isis are pretty blurred. I know nobody likes the russian but the media will report what is in the countries interest. What we can say for sure is that the west was dragging its heels as ISIS was taking over the area. The turks were in conflict with the Kurds who were trying to stop the advance of ISIS. Now that Russia has got involved, ISIS have been on the retreat. I don't know how many war crimes the Russians have committed and as sad as it is, there will always be civilians who will be affected. However, the most evil of the lot are ISIS who are openly committing massacres and if they are stopped then that can only be a good thing.
What Russia has achieved in Syria is nothing short of miraculous. When they intervened, the country was on the verge of total disintegration, and facing the imminent prospect of being controlled by competing and waring Jihadist groups, that had been sponsored by the US's regional allies Qatar, Turkey, and in particular Saudi. Thanks to their intervention, the Syrian government is well on the way to regaining control, more and more areas of the country are becoming free of war, Turkish expansionism is being limited, and ISIS is rapidly disintegrating. Regarding Ukraine, do Scots speak Irish ? Is ireland the lynchpin of scotland's economy ? The answer to both quesrions is no. It's not an equivelant comparison in the slightest. Culturally and economically Ukraine is far, far closer to Russia than it is to the west. Cutting it off from Russia was a disaster. But, hey what does the west care ? They just want to play their geo political games. Nothing else matters.
Well on Ukraine, it's in part through spending quite a bit of time in Ukraine, and on Syria, it's mainly through following the conflict, articles etc written by those involved and affected, every single day for several years. Hope this helps
But inspiring a violent coup is perfectly legal and acceptable ? Ukraine is economically facked because of what the US and the West did to it, not because of what Russia did to it. It's that simple.
Legally part of the Ukraine, which was illegally torn from Russian influence, by an illegal coup against a democratically elected government !! And where is Ukraine now after all the promises and assurances given to it by the west ?? In limbo, completely isolated, with no prospect of ever gaining EU membership. Well done the west
