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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    So they have no idea what our standards are despite us having to drag then up to meet them?
     
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  2. PowerSpurs

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    Our standards are entirely irrelevant. Goods only get into the single market if they meet their standards.
     
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  3. Diego

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    They are fully aware we surpass their standards and are just being plain awkward.
    We lead their standards and often had to force them, why do they doubt us now?
     
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  4. The RDBD

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    So the entire machinery of govt was incompetent,
    root and branch, from the period :

    - beginning the moment Cameron announced that
    a referendum on the EU would be offered if a Tory
    govt was elected in 2015

    - ending on day 1 of the official referendum campaign
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Here's the thing: the issue wasn't people voting against their views, but they were voting for the views of other people after decades of headlines about straight bananas, bent cucumbers, or some Times cub reporter by the name of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson banging on about banning prawn cocktail crisps and were led to believe those were their views when what those were these things called "lies"

    Naturally, those lies got bigger when the (advisory) referendum campaign came along, and the £350m a week to the NHS lie certainly swung the tide in the last week or two - and it was galvanised by that gormless twat Cameron saying he'd trigger Article 50 the morning after the result, because he assumed the public who proved to be so clueless that they elected the ****er one and a half times could be trusted
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    Meanwhile, another normal one on Planet Grifter

     
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  7. Left on the Shelf

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    That's not what I said, so not sure why you're distorting the comment.
    But for clarity, I do believe that UK Government (Cameron) rushed through the vote legislation and then opted to endorse the binary vote in order to appease the extreme elements of his Party. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Cameron bungled so many things, starting with announcing his intention for a referendum a week or two after the story that he kicked up a fuss that he wasn't offered a Full English at a hotel in Brussels, somehow thinking that he didn't look like an entitled **** demanding Waldorf Salad in spite it not being on the menu

    The fact he didn't consider putting in any failsafes in case the British public demonstrated their inability to be trusted with operating heavy machinery let alone going to the polls, for example a clause saying that the Leave vote needed at least 55% to be taken forward, and then idiotically boasted he'd trigger Article 50 assuming a remain victory without considering that boast would galvanise a chunk of people to vote Leave and get those bent cucumbers the Daily Mail told them they wanted for decades really demonstrates the benefits of an Eton education

    Note sarcasm...
     
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  9. The RDBD

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    So why, within the time period I stated, do you think
    that the machinery of govt did not produce an analysis
    of any kind for public perusal ??

    Surely something official is better than nothing.

    I contend at the least that competent/committed
    said machinery should have been able to go
    Pareto to such an end.
     
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  10. Left on the Shelf

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    More of a case that they chose not to take that route. So it was a conscious decision, based on flawed / incompetent / ideological imperative.

    Edit. And yes, the Government of the day should have provided the electorate with something more than fictitious rhetoric to base their choice on.
     
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    Even the Met might now consider this to be 'sufficient' evidence to prosecute...
     
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  12. bigsmithy9

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    I still cannot believe that President told Americans not to worry about Covid,that it would go away soon.......and......take a mouthful of detergent just in case. How many people did this kill,I wonder? That President was Trump naturally!
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    So, of course, the cult are now banging on about Mark Drakeford attending a gathering without even wearing a mask

    A gathering which took place in December 2021...
     
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  14. The RDBD

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    I do not immediately see any ideologue positions that
    could have caused those in the machinery of govt to
    consciously decide not to undertake any such analysis.

    What such positions do you see ??
     
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  16. PleaseNotPoll

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    Because it would have said that Brexit is a **** idea.
    The same logic was applied to the Russia investigation.
    They knew the answer, so they pretended not to have looked.
     
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  17. The RDBD

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    So you still do the work and put it in the public domain.
    Your concern is to ensure as much salient info as
    possible is out there, not whether the electorate choose
    to heed it.
     
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    Not if you're the Tories, you don't.
    Cameron didn't want the UKIPpers in his party crying about the facts.
     
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  19. Left on the Shelf

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    Excellent (amusing) thread of events this afternoon in the HoC....<laugh>
     
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  20. The RDBD

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    With the Labour heartlands the demographic
    that needed to be convinced, said people in the
    Tory party were the last thing to fret over.
     
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