Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
So they are playing exactly the same game as the government. Odds on when they finally sit around the table they will be at different ends of the spectrum -UK thinking it is negotiating the 'best possible' trade deal, EU the cleanest U.K. exit.
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Everyone's prancing around and posturing, but the EU negotiators are puppets to the main powers in Europe, and ultimately will take instructions from them. We aren't going to see any sensible negotiating for at least 18 months imho
 
GoldhawkRd said:
Everyone's prancing around and posturing, but the EU negotiators are puppets to the main powers in Europe, and ultimately will take instructions from them. We aren't going to see any sensible negotiating for at least 18 months imho
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18 Months? Remember the French need to keep everyone employed, it will be more like 18 years!
 
Refusal to discuss anything until the UK government invokes Article 50 is consistent with the EU being sane and looking after themselves - at the expense of the UK if that's in their interests. We've told them to expect a letter from our solicitor asking for a divorce and they're waiting to see what it says. In the meantime, there is tension in the marital home.

We're some time away before discussions can start, that's for sure. If our side is already blaming their side - before it's even started - then they're just setting up an expectation of blameless failure on their part. Not good enough. The country expects (and needs) more.
 
sb_73 said:
I don't think it will happen either, I just like the idea, and if it did I'd mainly want it as I travel around Europe for work a lot and would prefer not to stand in the same lengthy queues as the Yanks and Chinese at immigration. Plus if
the access to healthcare is maintained it will be handy if I am on the road when the inevitable cardiovascular event happens. I'd go for the same status with the US, as I have lost days of my life adding up the cumulative time I have spent in US border control queues.

Does the UK require current citizens with dual nationality to pay more taxes than the rest of us? Do you not like the idea on principle?

I think you may be right though about the future for the EU if Le Pen wins the French presidency.

Many in the EU would like to give the Germans a bit of a kicking. The deal has to be signed by 27 sovereign parliaments (and regional ones too in some places), not just BMW. Anyway, as Ellers has pointed out, we are already buying fewer cars and the £ driven rise in import prices may damage their business further. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

The continued impotent fury of the Brextards even when they have got what they thought they wanted (Brexit means Brexit after all) would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Move on, start building the New Jerusalem on our litter strewn green belt, as we were promised.
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If you don't like US Border Control queues, travel via Dublin or Shannon. They are the only two airports in the world where you pre-clear US Customs and Immigration. That means when you arrive in the U.S. it is like you are arriving on a domestic flight and face no queues. Many people from UK regional airports fly via Dublin instead of flying to Heathrow and then queueing upon arrival in the US. Give it a go?
 
finglasqpr said:
If you don't like US Border Control queues, travel via Dublin or Shannon. They are the only two airports in the world where you pre-clear US Customs and Immigration. That means when you arrive in the U.S. it is like you are arriving on a domestic flight and face no queues. Many people from UK regional airports fly via Dublin instead of flying to Heathrow and then queueing upon arrival in the US. Give it a go?
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It must be quicker to fly direct and queue rather to change planes in Ireland.
PLUS Dublin and Shannon are not the only two airpots in the world where you can pre-clear US Customs and Immigration, there are another 13 or so.
 
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finglasqpr said:
If you don't like US Border Control queues, travel via Dublin or Shannon. They are the only two airports in the world where you pre-clear US Customs and Immigration. That means when you arrive in the U.S. it is like you are arriving on a domestic flight and face no queues. Many people from UK regional airports fly via Dublin instead of flying to Heathrow and then queueing upon arrival in the US. Give it a go?
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You do the same at Toronto mate, which is why I fly via there whenever possible. To go via Ireland would require 3 flights rather than 2 because there are no direct flights to where I usually go from Europe. And not even I love airports that much.
 
sb_73 said:
That's what Ellers was implying by saying that if there was an opt in EU passport those opting in would have to pay more UK tax. Just to punish them or put them off applying I suppose. Though if you have dual citizenship with the US but don't live there, they can tax you on certain income. Which is why Boris Johnson claimed he was going to give up his US passport.
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how does the us system work
does every ex pat get hit with extra tax
dosent seem right
paying tax in a country you are not actualy living in

surprised the rest dont try it on
 
kiwiqpr said:
how does the us system work
does every ex pat get hit with extra tax
dosent seem right
paying tax in a country you are not actualy living in

surprised the rest dont try it on
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Not sure how it works because it's never been a problem for me. It's part of the rules of citizenship for them. If you don't like it simply give up your US passport.
 
"Have cake and eat it"
"The French will be difficult"
"What's the model?"

There is no plan, no proper objectives, no ****ing clue. No wonder David Davies wanders around with a rictus grin looking like a stunned mullet.
 
You've got to hope this was a deliberate leak. Apparently, there is a big sign inside the front door of No 9 asking people if their documents are properly concealed before walking out in front of the Downing Street cameras.

Not important enough for the Sun, Mirror, Star or Express to put it on their front pages. The Telegraph did, but only as one of the small stories at the bottom.
 
TheBigDipper said:
You've got to hope this was a deliberate leak. Apparently, there is a big sign inside the front door of No 9 asking people if their documents are properly concealed before walking out in front of the Downing Street cameras.

Not important enough for the Sun, Mirror, Star or Express to put it on their front pages. The Telegraph did, but only as one of the small stories at the bottom.
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In view of what has happened in the past to Government ministers that apparently cannot afford a briefcase, this woman is simply negligent to walk out in front of a phalanx of photographers with high-end telephoto lenses. Suggest in her present career, she's toast.
 
ELLERS said:
sb I thought you were up on the politics? You need to read the news. Give it a few days for the main press to pick up on it.
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Go on enlighten me now. All I can see is indecision, all I can hear is meaningless soundbites 'Brexit is brexit' 'best possible deal' (well a really ****ty deal may be the best the three stooges can achieve) etc etc. I would really love to know how this approach is having an effect, and as you seem to know I think you owe it to your fellow QPR fans to tell us. Pretty please. Who knows, I might shut up for a bit as a result.
 
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