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I don't know mate. I don't know the name of my own constituency MP, which I'm not too proud of - or at least my memory needs jogging. I reckon 25-50. I'm definitely in sad git territory on politics.
You're right, freedom of the press is a precious thing. Fear of the elite-owned press is an understandable position for a weak politician in a position that requires strength.
I don't understand how anyone who believes in British values could support that Mail front page. The judges made a legal decision and explained themselves in a clear statement. They've done a good thing - stopping the government from breaking the law and making a mistake. It's not hard to stay within the law on this - the government just has to allow Parliament to vote on Article 50 and revoke the law that Parliament enacted all those years ago. If the government had gone ahead illegally, then we'd find ourselves in a bigger argument in the future. Sticking to the law makes it fair and clear to everyone.
We all want Brexit to be carried out within the scope of British law and the spirit of British values, surely?
If the Supreme court overrides their judgement, it will state the legal reasons and we'll be able to read that, too. Goldie brought up a line of thought on that a couple of days ago, and that might be sound. We'll see.
If the Supreme court doesn't override that judgement, I doubt very much that the Mail or Express will have the guts to apologise to the judges.
Jeremy Wright the dead man walking Attorney General, has warned the Prime Minister that the Government is likely to lose the appeal to the Supreme Court. In fact they had a better chance of winning in the High Court. Stand by for the shock and vitriol when that happens. David Davis the only grown up voice I've heard from the cabinet, just saying let's get on with it and draw up the Bill.
May has pleaded that MPs do not 'bind her hands' by making her put 'all her cards on the table' in negotiations. If she listened to the Tory rebels she would not need to resort to hackneyed cliches. They want a simple bill on Article 50 which they (and most other MPs) will support, and a White Paper on the broad negotiating position - immigration, trade and priority sectors. Hardly sharing 'all the cards'.
Those mithering on about this should ponder this. Parliament (not the government) granted me certain rights by enacting legislation around our EU membership, for example the right to live and work in EU countries. Only Parliament should be able to take these rights away. Attempting to use Royal Prerogative to deny me rights undemocratically, I.e. Without our elected representatives having a say, would put us in a position aligned to Erodogan and Putin, and be the reverse of the intentions of centuries of constitutional development, starting with the Magna Carta, which have aimed at eroding (and one day hopefully obliterating in favour of clearly described executive powers) the whole archaic and arcane concept of Royal Prerogative. Allowing David Davis to negotiate 'on my behalf' without him telling me what he is trying to achieve is like an estate agent selling your house without telling you what price he is trying to get and you giving him a blank cheque to buy another one for you. I may not like the Government's negotiating position when I learn what it is, but I have a right to know what it is as it affects my life directly. Once it is accepted by Parliament I would reserve my right to moan about it, but would not be justified in opposing it in terms of the British constitution.
May has pleaded that MPs do not 'bind her hands' by making her put 'all her cards on the table' in negotiations. If she listened to the Tory rebels she would not need to resort to hackneyed cliches. They want a simple bill on Article 50 which they (and most other MPs) will support, and a White Paper on the broad negotiating position - immigration, trade and priority sectors. Hardly sharing 'all the cards'.
Those mithering on about this should ponder this. Parliament (not the government) granted me certain rights by enacting legislation around our EU membership, for example the right to live and work in EU countries. Only Parliament should be able to take these rights away. Attempting to use Royal Prerogative to deny me rights undemocratically, I.e. Without our elected representatives having a say, would put us in a position aligned to Erodogan and Putin, and be the reverse of the intentions of centuries of constitutional development, starting with the Magna Carta, which have aimed at eroding (and one day hopefully obliterating in favour of clearly described executive powers) the whole archaic and arcane concept of Royal Prerogative. Allowing David Davis to negotiate 'on my behalf' without him telling me what he is trying to achieve is like an estate agent selling your house without telling you what price he is trying to get and you giving him a blank cheque to buy another one for you. I may not like the Government's negotiating position when I learn what it is, but I have a right to know what it is as it affects my life directly. Once it is accepted by Parliament I would reserve my right to moan about it, but would not be justified in opposing it in terms of the British constitution.
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Low on provisions I had little option but to visit Asda in Sutton
If that is a Sunday snapshot of Today's UK then I want out forever
Unbelievable experience of pure misery I hope they fix this place and I respect anyone who is trying
Never seen a higher concentration of zombies before and it's getting worse
If that is a Sunday snapshot of Today's UK then I want out forever
Unbelievable experience of pure misery I hope they fix this place and I respect anyone who is trying
Never seen a higher concentration of zombies before and it's getting worse
Yes they invented them
Closed on Sunday mostly
A different experience believe me
I spent £7 and lost 35 minutes of my life had three altercations with fat hippo zombies and witnessed a child ride a scooter into a milk crate doing tricks
These people are ****ed for life
should have had the vote in january
might have been another 90000 leavers
really
other than winding up one side or another
what is the point of figures like those
might have been another 90000 leavers
really
other than winding up one side or another
what is the point of figures like those
I live near to Reading University and the road my flat is on has loads of student accommodation. Anyway this amused me and had to share it. There is a load of "the end of the world" themed party's going on tonight all due to the American election and the thought of Trump becoming the most powerful man in the world
You just have to love uni students, anyway hopefully according to current exit polls this hopefully will not be the case
You just have to love uni students, anyway hopefully according to current exit polls this hopefully will not be the case
Anybody staying up until 4 or possibly 6 am UK time to see who wins a race between two horses which should be put down in America? Me neither. Let's hope Hillary hobbles in first and doesn't do too much damage in the aftermath. And that Trump keeps his mouth shut and just pisses off.
i will watch it stan
only because i can get the bbc on the work computer
and it might be slightly less tedious than work
there is a part of me that wants trump to win just so i can see if the sky really will fall in
but the other 99% hopes otherwise
only because i can get the bbc on the work computer
and it might be slightly less tedious than work
there is a part of me that wants trump to win just so i can see if the sky really will fall in
but the other 99% hopes otherwise
It will be close
Donald of course has his banker home vote in Trumpton but Chigley and Camberwick Green I can't see turning ... Windy Miller has those in the ****ing bag