Off Topic The Politics Thread

[durbar2003]

It's treading over old ground, of course, but you can just imagine another referendum where there's a narrow remain victory, then never another vote on the issue ever again. Then again, it's not beyond the belligerence of the British people to vote an even stronger Leave the second time around out of contempt for our political classes.

Uber, I believe a vote is a vote and just because you don't like it you don't get a do over. I was really having a go at the SNP thinking they should have another referendum even though that had just one. As I'm living in the States now Brexit doesn't really effect me although as I've stated on here before my heart told me to leave but my brain told me to stay. I think a lot of people voted with their hearts and not brains.

 

[Tramore Ranger]

No, what I really want is for them up north to get another vote but let them down south be able to vote as well. Then they will be happy as they will able to buy Marmite again.

Can't at the moment unless Unilever get their extra 10% due to the sliding pound. Unilever have tried the same thing over here with one of the main distributors to supermarkets and convenience stores but they have also told Unilever to bog off........

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Uber, I believe a vote is a vote and just because you don't like it you don't get a do over. I was really having a go at the SNP thinking they should have another referendum even though that had just one. As I'm living in the States now Brexit doesn't really effect me although as I've stated on here before my heart told me to leave but my brain told me to stay. I think a lot of people voted with their hearts and not brains.

I voted with my spleen.

 

[durbar2003]

Can't at the moment unless Unilever get their extra 10% due to the sliding pound. Unilever have tried the same thing over here with one of the main distributors to supermarkets and convenience stores but they have also told Unilever to bog off........

Yes I know, the point is that if Scotland gain Independence, they can join the EU (eventually) adopt the Euro and be able to buy Marmite!! (although they still wont be able to sell Haggis in the US)

 

[kiwiqpr]

Oh, no it isn't!

oh yes it bloody is

 

[rangercol]

Uber, I believe a vote is a vote and just because you don't like it you don't get a do over. I was really having a go at the SNP thinking they should have another referendum even though that had just one. As I'm living in the States now Brexit doesn't really effect me although as I've stated on here before my heart told me to leave but my brain told me to stay. I think a lot of people voted with their hearts and not brains.

I voted with both.

I knew a leave vote could result in me being a little worse off financially, but when you vote on a principal that can happen.
I'm off to the Canaries next week and have just got my Euros at 1.10 Euros per Pound.
I've taken quite a hit with that exchange rate but I wouldn't change the way I voted (as it happens, a weaker pound may well increase the value of my pension pot!).

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Interesting that EU chief Donald Tusk has confirmed that there is no such thing as Soft Brexit. There is either Hard Brexit or No Brexit. Perhaps that will stop Europhiles like the painful Anna Soubry from bleating but I doubt it. Should make the post Article 50 negotiations brief anyway.

 

[finglasqpr]

Can't at the moment unless Unilever get their extra 10% due to the sliding pound. Unilever have tried the same thing over here with one of the main distributors to supermarkets and convenience stores but they have also told Unilever to bog off........

They reckon this is the start of Brexit starting to hurt both Irish consumers and British jobs

With the fall in the value of the Pound, you would imagine British goods in Irish supermarkets would get cheaper? No, Unilever want to increase prices to Musgrave who own Supervalu and Centra stores by between 10-19%. Musgraves have rightly told Unilever to get stuffed. Dunnes Stores apparently done the same but they have reached an agreement with Unilever. Tesco Ireland have also reached an agreement with Unilever. So, one of the largest supermarket chains in Ireland are refusing to buy British goods from Unilever as they are taking the piss on pricing. Things that should be getting cheaper are getting more expensive for consumers and as a result, Unilever's sales to it's largest customer in Ireland have been halted. There's a few hundred jobs in the UK down the swanny already.

 

[durbar2003]

They reckon this is the start of Brexit starting to hurt both Irish consumers and British jobs

With the fall in the value of the Pound, you would imagine British goods in Irish supermarkets would get cheaper? No, Unilever want to increase prices to Musgrave who own Supervalu and Centra stores by between 10-19%. Musgraves have rightly told Unilever to get stuffed. Dunnes Stores apparently done the same but they have reached an agreement with Unilever. Tesco Ireland have also reached an agreement with Unilever. So, one of the largest supermarket chains in Ireland are refusing to buy British goods from Unilever as they are taking the piss on pricing. Things that should be getting cheaper are getting more expensive for consumers and as a result, Unilever's sales to it's largest customer in Ireland have been halted. There's a few hundred jobs in the UK down the swanny already.

Read the paper, it's been sorted.

 

[durbar2003]

By the way if Unilever raises prices in Ireland, an EU country would that not be the same for the rest of Europe?

 

[TheBigDipper]

Interesting that EU chief Donald Tusk has confirmed that there is no such thing as Soft Brexit. There is either Hard Brexit or No Brexit. Perhaps that will stop Europhiles like the painful Anna Soubry from bleating but I doubt it. Should make the post Article 50 negotiations brief anyway.

Pre-negotiation hardball is perfectly understandable on both sides. Both sides will be looking for a mutually acceptable win-win result in the end. That might require some red lines to be breached. If we tie the hands of our team, we'll lose. The same goes for their side - hence all the posturing.

I don't think you'll be free of Anna Soubry just yet, somehow. The "side" doing the bleating has changed from years of it from Eurosceptics complaining about the EU to the Remainers complaining about Brexit, but until we stop being a democracy I think we'll be stuck with people expressing their opinions and trying to change things even after they were on the wrong side of a vote.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Pre-negotiation hardball is perfectly understandable on both sides. Both sides will be looking for a mutually acceptable win-win result in the end. That might require some red lines to be breached. If we tie the hands of our team, we'll lose. The same goes for their side - hence all the posturing.

I don't think you'll be free of Anna Soubry just yet, somehow. The "side" doing the bleating has changed from years of it from Eurosceptics complaining about the EU to the Remainers complaining about Brexit, but until we stop being a democracy I think we'll be stuck with people expressing their opinions and trying to change things even after they were on the wrong side of a vote.

It would support both sides if they could come to one little agreement now, to mutually agree their pre-negotiation hardball posturing is at all cost mutually supportive of both the £ and €. Can't be so difficult when other Countries manage it.

 

[sb_73]

It would support both sides if they could come to one little agreement now, to mutually agree their pre-negotiation hardball posturing is at all cost mutually supportive of both the £ and €. Can't be so difficult when other Countries manage it.

I don't think that is within their control, ats at the whim of 'markets' and computer algorithm led trading.

In more human terms one thing I think they could do quickly is to confirm that the status of EU citizens already resident in the U.K. and those Brits living in the rest of the EU won't change - they will be welcome to stay and retain the same access to health care, social security etc as they do now. To his credit I think David Davis actually wants to do this.

 

[YappyR]

I wish the Government would stop lying to us. May wants to crack down on foreign students overstaying their visas, claiming it would reduce numbers by tens of thousands. A Home Office analysis says only 1,500 students refuse to leave each year, but this has been 'hidden'. I'm quite happy for foreign student numbers to be drastically reduced, it's one of the factors that is turning tertiary education in this country into a money grabbing pile of crap. But no need to tell porkies about it.

May was a very long serving Home Secretary, but all the things she claims to find morally repugnant - child abuse, porn, modern slavery - all seem to have got worse under her watch, and the one thing she was charged to do - control immigration - she failed in spectacularly. I expect more of the same. Still, it could have been Andrea Leadsom. Or Boris Johnson, who's idea of policy is to urge people to take to the streets.

Is that a conspiracy theory, SB? They don't lie to us, surely?

 

[YappyR]

The 66bn i think maybe a projection of what the government would like to tax the big corps etc
I may have mentioned this earlier in the year as i was approached to cost out bulk address changes for a lot of banks and insurance companies based in London
They have set up provisional head offices in Gib, Cologne and Switzerland most of them
The company i work for owns the the TSO and we have 95% of the banks in the world so i get an insight and we produce most HM documents

Many didn't pay tax anyway and so Goggle and Amazon customers won't care in the UK

Many who pretend they are in Southern Europe by drinking liquid dirt alfresco at Pret Costa Caffe Nero etc should boycott but they won't as the nation is hooked
It makes me laugh to watch this as many Leave Voters are served in these places by students who have expired visa and decided to stay on

Give these jobs to the UK youth then there will riots as it could be national training day for our lot trying to boil a kettle while on Facebook

I seriuosly have seen someone UK moving the bread roll while the knife was stationary

They rely on early morning deliveries so one diesel strike and a cafe is unable to operate ... not the Rosy Lea cafe ideal i grew up in, still we have a nation of cake makers now. I challenge the very best of bake off ****ers to come to my local patisserie and give it a go to try and do what they do every day of the year from raw ingredients.

Well ya know, the other humans looking at us in the UK still think that we own the world and are worried about what we might do next to own more of it so we should be happy that we're British and sex and drugs and rock n roll and all that we still do f'ing run the world, and the world will listen to what we say

 

[sb_73]

Is that a conspiracy theory, SB? They don't lie to us, surely?

Not from my perspective, it's a report from reputable journalists(if such a thing exists). You don't have to believe in conspiracy theories to think that governments sometimes lie to us. Indeed you would be daft not to.

I have got a conspiracy theory though, but it's a bit out of date. The British Government, and specifically Winston Churchill as head of the Admiralty, deliberately allowed the Lusitania to be sunk by a German U boat in order to get the US to enter WW1. Its in a terrific book callled 'Dead Wake' by Erik Larson.

 

[YappyR]

Not from my perspective, it's a report from reputable journalists(if such a thing exists). You don't have to believe in conspiracy theories to think that governments sometimes lie to us. Indeed you would be daft not to.

I have got a conspiracy theory though, but it's a bit out of date. The British Government, and specifically Winston Churchill as head of the Admiralty, deliberately allowed the Lusitania to be sunk by a German U boat in order to get the US to enter WW1. Its in a terrific book callled 'Dead Wake' by Erik Larson.

And Churchill was just a pawn for all the Monarchy across Europe who pushed the little people around like toys and waited it all out so they can re-establish a proper New World Order in which they all continue to survive and thrive as Kings and Queens who rule the world own the banks and continue to push the little people around. After all, the monarchies across Europe just intermarried each other and figured out they can just share the wealth across borders and sip champagne while we all suffered down here
Yeah I've heard it all, nothing changes, eh mates

 

[QPR Oslo]

I don't think that is within their control, ats at the whim of 'markets' and computer algorithm led trading.

In more human terms one thing I think they could do quickly is to confirm that the status of EU citizens already resident in the U.K. and those Brits living in the rest of the EU won't change - they will be welcome to stay and retain the same access to health care, social security etc as they do now. To his credit I think David Davis actually wants to do this.

Full control no, but a hell of a lot at the moment. What the UK government and European leaders have been saying the last week about Brexit has almost certainly driven the £ down signicantly, and probably the € too. Talk up the likelyhood that a mutualy acceptable market arrangement will be reached, will support both currencies far more than the talk of the last week for their own constiruencies which is driving the £ down. This is especially so now when the comprehension of the impact of Brexit on the UK and EU is so vague in the UK/Europe itself, let alone the rest of the World. The markets have and will now respond to this sort of talk at least as much as new sets of economic results.

 

[Windom Earle]

I voted with both.

I knew a leave vote could result in me being a little worse off financially, but when you vote on a principal that can happen.
I'm off to the Canaries next week and have just got my Euros at 1.10 Euros per Pound.
I've taken quite a hit with that exchange rate but I wouldn't change the way I voted (as it happens, a weaker pound may well increase the value of my pension pot!).

Have a good holiday Col

 

[Windom Earle]

Some things are more expensive
Some things are much cheaper

IMO we are lucky to have the choice

I voted to remain with head and heart and I accept the result 100%

Part of me now loves watching people who love money loss a bit

I have always hated the money in the south and want to see the housing market blow up. Greed is rife almost every where I look in my social circles ... I took a lot of stick from mates when I gave away most of the money I found myself having just because I was lucky to be born where I was

I still have to listen to people who has a few properties and moan about returns etc

I started again and was determined never to be like that Today I enjoy a better life IMO

The UK formula of job and the routine that comes with that is not healthy IMO.... This week I have spent 15 hours travelling to and fro my offices and spent £100 on rail fares. I travel from Montpellier to my home (60 miles) for 2 Euros and leave and arrive always on time

I can't understand it at all as I hear the railways want more money going forward

I hope I can continue to move between France and the U.K.as easily as I do now if not then I will leave the UK