Christ the grapes on here are incredibly sour.
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Or this 'let's stick together' stuff. What does that even mean? How do I demonstrate that I am 'sticking together'? Do I have to 'stick together' with Farage and Johnson? Be reasonable FFS! Why the **** should I suppress my opinions? All I want is the leaders of the winners to spell out what they think should happen now. What I get is:
Farage - never a promise to spend £350m a week on the NHS.
Daniel Hannan - wasn't a vote to reduce immigration but to be able to 'control' it. He wants a Norway style agreement with the EU, which includes free movement of people
Johnson - apparently pro European and arguing for our future in Europe
And according the the Washington Post UK citizens frantically googling what the EU is hours after voting to leave it.
Ian Paisley Jr (pro Brexit) advising his constituents to apply for Irish passports
I looked up whether I could get an Irish passport, sadly not, I'm too English. But clearly not English enough to be classified as an 'ordinary, decent' person according to Farage, as I would have to have voted Brexit for that.
Which public figures represent what you voted for Col? Who should I be listening to in order to understand what we will be trying to achieve next? The result is what it is, fine, but I think it's fair to be asking for some, even unofficial, leadership now.
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Follow me, Stanno, I know the way. But first, let's get naked.
I think the bottom line is those who wanted change were far more determined. There are postal votes for those who may want them and anyone who didn't vote can't complain. How many youngsters looked out of the window and saw the rain and couldn't be arsed? If we start placing 60% or 66.6% as the threshold of a majority for change we'll be painting ourselves into a corner. Those arguing have another referendum where will it end?
I still wouldn't entirely rule out, once the Billy Big Bollox posturing by the EU ends, that Boris may eventually get a deal that would be put to the country. When they realise how destabilising our exit will be to the EU the open borders/free movement policy may be withdrawn...
I still wouldn't entirely rule out, once the Billy Big Bollox posturing by the EU ends, that Boris may eventually get a deal that would be put to the country. When they realise how destabilising our exit will be to the EU the open borders/free movement policy may be withdrawn...
Which Billy Big Bollox posturing are you referring to here ? Do you think for one minute that you can decide for a divorce and then say 'but we will decide the time taken and the conditions' ? So, Cameron will resign in October and then let his successor activate clause 50, and Bojo also says there is no reason to rush things - so, Europe has to wait on your beck and call until you think the time is right ?
I'm no fan of Johnson, but you'd criticise him if he said we should bar most immigration and be distant with Europe. He is saying the opposite and you still have a go at him.
I am concerned about Northern Ireland, but I can't see their people voting to leave the Union.
TBH I think it's ridiculous to be asking all these questions, what, 48 hours after the result.
The dust needs to settle and everyone needs to calm down.
Once we know the identity of the government members who will be in charge during the negotiations etc it will be time to ask the relevant questions imo.
Juncker has been arrogant from the go and that is one of the fundamental flaws in the EU, they constantly ignore the disaster unfolding across the continent in pursuit of their impossible dream. He will now play the tough guy but will find pressure mounting from other states who see the first of the 'dominoes' falling, Holland and Denmark next? Italy? Even France may lurch towards Le Pen and the Union will be gone.
I would prefer us to Trigger Article 50 immediately and get it over and done with, if the EU try to drive too hard a bargain it may well backfire when the inevitable happens and they come looking for trade deals in the aftermath of it's demise. I'd give the EU 5 years maximum unless they reconsider Shengen...
I would prefer us to Trigger Article 50 immediately and get it over and done with, if the EU try to drive too hard a bargain it may well backfire when the inevitable happens and they come looking for trade deals in the aftermath of it's demise. I'd give the EU 5 years maximum unless they reconsider Shengen...
Oh ****, we've won. What do we do now?
Why should we have to wait 3 months for a new PM to start negotiations?
Get on with it FFS.
Fair enough. I do think it's fair to ask the questions, the Brexiters have had since the Tories won the election to think about the answers, I don't expect to agree with the answers, or that they would be definitive at this stage, that would be rather unrealistic. I've lost the basic argument, there's no reversing that, I'm sad about it but I'm trying to look forward.
If anyone has actually thought this through I suspect it's Gove, would be good to hear from him. I do feel that the discussions should be happening in public, the candidates for the Tory leadership should be required to declare within the next week and state their basic Brexit position at that point, the parliamentary party can do its voting over the next two weeks and then the whole party have its vote on the final two by the end of July. It's not that difficult to organise, they don't need endless hustings.
People regret it because the pound has declined over one day. One day. Let's see where it is in a year or two or five.
Also because a lot of people whine over Facebook and share links to articles or petitions, it creates an aura of more people wanting Remain than evidently was the case. The sneering and patronising towards Leavers, the majority, has been very petty. Some people did vote Leave for moronic reasons but is that any worse than the doubtless millions who voted Remain because David Beckham or Branson told them to or because they saw their Facebook feed cluttered with tales of how great the EU is (was)?
The elderly are getting an unfair bashing on this thread following the result.. They are not the only ones responsible for ruining yours or anyone elses children's perceived future.
In fact they don't even make the top 5. Groups more responsible than the elderly for Brexit ... UKIP (96%,) The English ( 80%,) The working class (65%,) non college graduates ( 65% ) and the physically disabled ( 62%.) They all voted in greater numbers ( percentage wise ) for exit than the elderly/retired ( 60%.) After the elderly the list continues with the following within 4% of the elderly ... Tory voters (58%,) Christians ( 58%,) the unemployed (57%,) parents with teenage kids (56%) and the Welsh (56%.)
Another fact is that Sikhs interestingly voted in the same proportion for exit as white people.
In fact they don't even make the top 5. Groups more responsible than the elderly for Brexit ... UKIP (96%,) The English ( 80%,) The working class (65%,) non college graduates ( 65% ) and the physically disabled ( 62%.) They all voted in greater numbers ( percentage wise ) for exit than the elderly/retired ( 60%.) After the elderly the list continues with the following within 4% of the elderly ... Tory voters (58%,) Christians ( 58%,) the unemployed (57%,) parents with teenage kids (56%) and the Welsh (56%.)
Another fact is that Sikhs interestingly voted in the same proportion for exit as white people.
If people regret it I suspect it's because they have walked into a leaderless vacuum