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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
At the end of the day the EU will still want to trade with the UK, an Norman Tebbit said on TV this morning are the French going to stop buying aircraft parts from BAE, are Volkswagon going to stop buying car parts? Off course they aren't. Life will go on, the pound will settle, the stock market will find it's true balance, there will still be free movement around the continent, no one will require Visa's to get from the UK into Europe and vice versa. I doubt that there will be any trade tarriffs imposed on UK goods entering the EU as that will not benefit anyone. This is an opportunity for the UK and also an opportunity for the EU to reform. In a few years time yesterday may well be viewed as the day the EU got a dose of reality and the start of transforming it self into a modern organisation rather than the apparent self serving machine it is at the moment......
 
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Tramore Ranger said:
At the end of the day the EU will still want to trade with the UK, an Norman Tebbit said on TV this morning are the French going to stop buying aircraft parts from BAE, are Volkswagon going to stop buying car parts? Off course they aren't. Life will go on, the pound will settle, the stock market will find it's true balance, there will still be free movement around the continent, no one will require Visa's to get from the UK into Europe and vice versa. I doubt that there will be any trade tarriffs imposed on UK goods entering the EU as that will not benefit anyone. This is an opportunity for the UK and also an opportunity for the EU to reform. In a few years time yesterday may well be viewed as the day the EU got a dose of reality and the start of transforming it self into a modern organisation rather than the apparent self serving machine it is at the moment......
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SO this!!!!!!
 
sheffordqpr said:
Started already hasn't it? Especially on this forum. Look. to a certain extent we ARE going into the unknown. That's exactly the point it IS unknown. Not one of us can predict the future, so let's stop trying shall we? Plenty of knee jerk reactions and a certain amount of BS on both sides. We took a democratic vote and voted OUT. End of. Now we need to pull together and make the best of what some see as a bad situation. Mankind has never stood still bemoaning its luck and now is not the time to start.
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Agreed.
 
sheffordqpr said:
Started already hasn't it? Especially on this forum. Look. to a certain extent we ARE going into the unknown. That's exactly the point it IS unknown. Not one of us can predict the future, so let's stop trying shall we? Plenty of knee jerk reactions and a certain amount of BS on both sides. We took a democratic vote and voted OUT. End of. Now we need to pull together and make the best of what some see as a bad situation. Mankind has never stood still bemoaning its luck and now is not the time to start.
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Would the Brexiters have meekly rolled over and say 'mustn't grumble' had Remain won by a similar margin (or any margin at all?). The 16.1 million of us who didn't lodge a protest vote are quite entitled to ask 'OK, what's the plan'. But we won't get an answer because there is no one in authority to give one, there is no plan and there is no agreement about what we actually want to get from the Article 50 negotiations. And we have a dead duck PM and months of uncertainty before we start thinking about a plan, let alone negotiating.

Glib soundbites about 'pulling together' and 'making the best of it' are entirely meaningless. An emotional vote requires practical follow up. Those of us who voted Remain don't expect this to be easy, but equally we know it's got to be done and done well. The large young lady from Dudley on the news today saying it was the best day of her life as now she would be given a job and a council house because the immigrants would be going will be far more disappointed than us.

Just because you don't have the answers doesn't mean we can't ask questions. That really would be anti democratic.

Amount of money wiped off the stock market today equivalent to 7 years UK contributions to the EU.
 
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sb_73 said:
Would the Brexiters have meekly rolled over and say 'mustn't grumble' had Remain won by a similar margin (or any margin at all?). The 16.1 million of us who didn't lodge a protest vote are quite entitled to ask 'OK, what's the plan'. But we won't get an answer because there is no one in authority to give one, there is no plan and there is no agreement about what we actually want to get from the Article 50 negotiations. And we have a dead duck PM and months of uncertainty before we start thinking about a plan, let alone negotiating.

Glib soundbites about 'pulling together' and 'making the best of it' are entirely meaningless. An emotional vote requires practical follow up. Those of us who voted Remain don't expect this to be easy, but equally we know it's got to be done and done well. The large young lady from Dudley on the news today saying it was the best day of her life as now she would be given a job and a council house because the immigrants would be going will be far more disappointed than us.

Just because you don't have the answers doesn't mean we can't ask questions. That really would be anti democratic.
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My post was merely an expression of the situation, yours on the other hand seems to be like most sore losers, inflammatory. And NO, I wouldn't be whining about the result if it went the other way, but thanks for assuming I would. I certainly agree that an emotional vote requires a practical follow up, but I didn't vote on an emotional basis and I guess lots of other people didn't either. Thanks for patronising us though.
 
Tramore Ranger said:
At the end of the day the EU will still want to trade with the UK, an Norman Tebbit said on TV this morning are the French going to stop buying aircraft parts from BAE, are Volkswagon going to stop buying car parts? Off course they aren't. Life will go on, the pound will settle, the stock market will find it's true balance, there will still be free movement around the continent, no one will require Visa's to get from the UK into Europe and vice versa. I doubt that there will be any trade tarriffs imposed on UK goods entering the EU as that will not benefit anyone. This is an opportunity for the UK and also an opportunity for the EU to reform. In a few years time yesterday may well be viewed as the day the EU got a dose of reality and the start of transforming it self into a modern organisation rather than the apparent self serving machine it is at the moment......
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You think complete access to the single market will happen with no contributions and no free movement?

It works for us, it won't work for the EU. That won't happen with at least one or both of the above.
 
As an ex-pat living in Canada since 1976 I decided not to vote in our poll, but amazing that it was pretty much spot on with the actual outcome.

Three of my Canadian born daughters were recently issued 10 year UK passports (due to my UK birth) - I wonder how Brexit will affect the future portability of that passport in Europe - one is currently attending university in Paris (political science), another will soon be on 4 month social worker university co-op employment work term in Belgium and a third is visiting her sister over the next month and touring Europe. My Paris based daughter told me that a UK passport gains you free access to many museums, art galleries and historic places (e.g. Palace of Versailles) in Europe.. I wonder if that privilege will be immediately rescinded as a result of the Brexit vote?
 
Rangers Til I Die said:
I'm angry on their behalf too. I feel they should have been given a weighted vote though that is not terribly in keeping with our democratic process.
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I suggested that earlier in the thread RTID, albeit somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I'm frustrated and angered on their behalf though, that the 75% of 18-24 year-olds who voted Remain have been outdone by old farts.
 
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Kilburn said:
As an ex-pat living in Canada since 1976 I decided not to vote in our poll, but amazing that it was pretty much spot on with the actual outcome.

Three of my Canadian born daughters were recently issued 10 year UK passports (due to my UK birth) - I wonder how Brexit will affect the future portability of that passport in Europe - one is currently attending university in Paris (political science), another will soon be on 4 month social worker university co-op employment work term in Belgium and a third is visiting her sister over the next month and touring Europe. My Paris based daughter told me that a UK passport gains you free access to many museums, art galleries and historic places (e.g. Palace of Versailles) in Europe.. I wonder if that privilege will be immediately rescinded as a result of the Brexit vote?
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Possibly, but no more than we would (like everything else) rescind theirs!!
 
sheffordqpr said:
So, should democracy be age related?
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This was an unreversable vote which will affect young young people for a lot longer than it will people of my age, Shefford. Of course weighting votes according to age is not practicable, but if I was a youngster I would be even more pissed off than I am as a 62 year-old.
 
sheffordqpr said:
Possibly, but no more than we would (like everything else) rescind theirs!!
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Well at least they will still be welcome in the UK - my plan securing UK passports for the kids was that it provided the option of portability through Europe should they decide to work there in the future.
 
Kilburn said:
As an ex-pat living in Canada since 1976 I decided not to vote in our poll, but amazing that it was pretty much spot on with the actual outcome.

Three of my Canadian born daughters were recently issued 10 year UK passports (due to my UK birth) - I wonder how Brexit will affect the future portability of that passport in Europe - one is currently attending university in Paris (political science), another will soon be on 4 month social worker university co-op employment work term in Belgium and a third is visiting her sister over the next month and touring Europe. My Paris based daughter told me that a UK passport gains you free access to many museums, art galleries and historic places (e.g. Palace of Versailles) in Europe.. I wonder if that privilege will be immediately rescinded as a result of the Brexit vote?
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2 to 2.5 years before anything even starts to change in practice. Working on a British passport without a visa unlikely, because I can't imagine we will be allowing visa free working for EU nationals.
 
TootingExcess said:
You think complete access to the single market will happen with no contributions and no free movement?

It works for us, it won't work for the EU. That won't happen with at least one or both of the above.
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Think this is where the art of negotiation and compromise comes into play......
 
Stroller said:
I suggested that earlier in the thread RTID, albeit somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I'm frustrated and angered on their behalf though, that the 75% of 18-24 year-olds who voted Remain have been outdone by old farts.
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Nothing tongue in cheek about it now. Good shout!
I have four adult kids who are sad / angry, two teenage nieces who are 'livid' and another 18 year old niece who is sad that she was 18 just too late to vote.
I just hope the optimists are correct about the future well-being of our kids and grandchildren because that is what the stakes are - the highest possible.
 
Rangers Til I Die said:
Tempting thought but no. Definitely not democratic! Perhaps more might have been done to educate the older folks that they were rolling the dice with their grandchildren's future.
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Wasn't that the job of the Remain people to explain the benefits of staying in to the "older" generation? Instead both sides played on the fear factor without actually engaging in the positives.
 
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Tramore Ranger said:
Wasn't that the job of the Remain people to explain the benefits of staying in to the "older" generation? Instead both sides played on the fear factor without actually engaging in the positives.
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Yes. Although it might be said that if you're in your 60s and 70s upwards and you haven't worked out that you're voting for two or more generations beneath you then you should not be voting at all!
 
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