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A lot of traders we're celebrating when the exit poll forecast a Brexit defeat, unfortunately for them from the first result the pound went into a nosedive and cost them dearly. I have to say it serves them right, for once they've been skewered...
Guess all you like. This is quite a big day for people who live in and care about this country. I'm guessing that not many of us give a flying **** about a few speculators losing money. In fact, we quite enjoy it.
The silver surfers and upwards in age terms (me included) have taken the wealth from the good times and voted to leave (not me) which may well deprive their children and grandchildren of the chance to generate some wealth too. Shame on them in my view.
What a difference between London and the rest of England! This referendum has set neighbour up against neighbour, relative against relative and friend against friend. It is going to take more than conciliatory words to heal those rifts and that will not happen quickly either.
It seems some who voted Brexit are waking up and wondering what the hell they've done. I've already signed the .gov petition calling for a second referendum on the basis that the margin was too close. I'd encourage those Remainers on here to do the same here - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215. I shall write to my MP too.
Who knows, there may be a long shot chance to reverse this madness as happened with the Irish, though that was ratification of The Treaty of Lisbon and not an in / out decision.
I appreciate many on here have a different view and I respect that. I'd be curious to hear from anyone who voted 'out' who now regrets it.
I am worried for the future of this wonderful United Kingdom, a country that has been good to me as an immigrant of 55 years and who has returned that favour with service to a community and a lot of tax too!
What a difference between London and the rest of England! This referendum has set neighbour up against neighbour, relative against relative and friend against friend. It is going to take more than conciliatory words to heal those rifts and that will not happen quickly either.
It seems some who voted Brexit are waking up and wondering what the hell they've done. I've already signed the .gov petition calling for a second referendum on the basis that the margin was too close. I'd encourage those Remainers on here to do the same here - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215. I shall write to my MP too.
Who knows, there may be a long shot chance to reverse this madness as happened with the Irish, though that was ratification of The Treaty of Lisbon and not an in / out decision.
I appreciate many on here have a different view and I respect that. I'd be curious to hear from anyone who voted 'out' who now regrets it.
I am worried for the future of this wonderful United Kingdom, a country that has been good to me as an immigrant of 55 years and who has returned that favour with service to a community and a lot of tax too!
People with personal pension funds invested on their behalf in stocks and shares can't be too happy about today, surely?
Good point. If their fund managers are any good they will have shifted into safer stocks some time ago - the FTSE is down (but not by that much, especially compared to EU markets) and many defensive stocks are up - gold, mining, Pharma, drinks. The banks have taken most of the hit. It's not good, but not a disaster, so far. Any foreign holdings will of course be worth more in £ terms.
It does hugely piss me off that these blokes can **** up ordinary people's lives and not have any accountability. And it doesn't take a Brexit for them to do their damage.
The bottom line is British people are fed up seeing decisions imposed on us by Brussels/Strasbourg that impact on our way of life. The 'open borders' and 'free movement' policies are excellent ideas in theory but fail in reality because of the massive differences in economies throughout the Union. The introduction of 'Eastern Bloc' countries has seriously affected many workers which is why the north, in particular, have voted so heavily against 'Remain'.
Don't blame those who exercised democracy to get last night's result, blame the politicians who have failed to foresee the outcome of their 'project' which was flawed from the start and those whose stubbornness vetoed proper reform which not just the UK wanted...
Sooper, we're virtual mates and I don't intend to fall out with anyone over this issue.
Please can you give me one or two examples of decisions that have been made by Brussels/ Strasburg that have significantly impacted on our lives. Honest question and apologies if answer deep within the bowels of this thread.
The simplest one is the 'Human Rights Act', a very laudable and well-meaning piece of legislation that has been hi-jacked by greedy, self-serving lawyers on behalf of some of the most reprehensible individuals on God's Earth. These low-lifes have infringed the 'Human Rights' of their victims yet are laughing at the law and their victims and/or their families in hiding behind this act for all manner of things. Just ask anyone who has had a family member killed, raped or abused how they feel...
Had Europe not had a Human Rights Act, you can be certain that our liberal and tolerant society would have had a UK equivalent and it would been abused in the same way by the same people (and I do agree it has been horribly abused - in much the same way that many of our laws have been, and are, used by criminals to thwart the system).
Out of the EU there is likely to be a 'Bill of Rights' which should put victims first. I believe anyone who commits a crime against the person that violates that person's 'Human Rights' should forfeit their Rights as part of their sentence, we may now be able to produce just such a 'Bill'...
And by the way RTID, I respect your views and we are all entitled to our opinions. I just think in ten years time we will look back on the EU as a monstrous mistake but one which we will have learned a great deal from. We have the chance now to take the best ideas from that Union but move ahead in a way that benefits everyone...
I meant to state in my first post that the possibility that we will be flourishing in some years time and wondering what all the worry was has to be entertained, indeed hoped for. I am open to that and wish it to be so for my children and grandchildren.
Only time will tell.
Thanks for a sensible debate.
Sooper...just to point out, the only big winners from todays result will be the 'greedy, self-serving lawyers'. They will be wetting themselves as they think of how many hours work they'll get trying to work out the legal process of Britain leaving the EU. I spoke to a lawyer today who insinuated it'll be great for business.
I'm gutted as it seems such a small majority have made a decision that will throw the UK into the unknown, and it'll be the most vulnerable who are most effected. Being an ex-pat, it probably won't massively affect me for a while, and if it does it may force me to get a French passport. I haven't had time to read through this thread so sorry if this is repetition, but when else in history has being divided from your closest neighbours been beneficial?
I'm hearing about a lot of upset youngsters, including my two kids. My 16 year old daughter texted me from her holiday with friends in Cyprus, which is remarkable.
I'm increasingly furious with the EU itself for not being better. Not enough good stuff to highlight to convince just over a million people either to cast their vote at all or to vote stay rather than leave. Seeing Juncker on the telly just now, the living embodiment of everything that is wrong with the EU, makes the vote a less bitter pill to swallow.
I'm angry on their behalf too. I feel they should have been given a weighted vote though that is not terribly in keeping with our democratic process.
Started already hasn't it? Especially on this forum. Look. to a certain extent we ARE going into the unknown. That's exactly the point it IS unknown. Not one of us can predict the future, so let's stop trying shall we? Plenty of knee jerk reactions and a certain amount of BS on both sides. We took a democratic vote and voted OUT. End of. Now we need to pull together and make the best of what some see as a bad situation. Mankind has never stood still bemoaning its luck and now is not the time to start.
We heard lots from Farage and Raab even overnight, that it needed a 60% remain vote to have any mandate. Obviously this doesn't apply to the reverse in their eyes.
I would personally have set the threshold to change something as serious as this at 60% in the first place. (Let's call it the gross figure)
But Cameron didn't and we just have accept it.