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I was offered a ticket for tonight's Wembley debate by my current employer, who got the tickets via his UKIP membership! I had to turn him down in the interests of fairness, as it would have undermined the scrupulous audience selection process. Actually, I'm not sure how well I could restrain myself once BJ started spouting his BS. Anyway, I'm more interested in watching the Euros than listening to more of the bollocks we've been subjected to over the last nine weeks. Thank God it's nearly over.
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Because he's waiting for a knighthood, and his missus keeps nagging him about it
''The often unspoken fear of many people, we should address it honestly and clearly and examine it, is that Europe might develop into a super-state, an overarching Government with no national veto, no control over our own borders, prescriptive decisions, a single currency imposed and the nation state retreating to a wholly subordinate role. That fear exists out there . . .and we should recognise the fact it exists. . .I for one would find such a Europe wholly unacceptable for this country. I do not believe that it is remotely likely, but if that were to be the future, it would not be a future that would be suitable for this country'' John Major, 1st March 1995
I was meaning more London than out of town, but it was harsh to say that. Plenty of young Londoners do work in McDonald's etc but it does surprise me that more British people don't see bar or barista work as an option nowadays
I am still undecided which way to go still and i knock both sides, however i have noticed in the last 2 days TV/radio seems to be giving more air time to the Stay campaign which the had not before. I don't know if i am just missing stuff but especially today it's all been anti leave.
My (just) 20 year old son is a qualified barista, and at the restaurant at which he works as a waiter a couple of evenings a week, he is the only one who knows how to clean out the beer pipes. It's one of the best three restaurants where I live (out of well over 50), and he is the only non Sicilian working there (it's also owned by Sicilians). He learned these things through weekend work from the age of 16 at the British Motorcycle Museum, where they host massive weddings and other events, a job got through our Portuguese neighbour, who runs the service there. The reason more British kids don't take this route is that it is very hard work for very low pay, under 25s don't even get the 'living' wage. So his main job is selling online advertising space, which is brutal, but it enables him to share a flat a couple of miles away and have his independence (and Sunday lunch at home when he's not too hungover). Money is tight but he has only once asked for a sub in 2 years (never declines when some is offered though!). He has the A levels to go to Uni, but decided (correctly) that it wasn't right for him/he wasn't right for it. It's not the path I had hoped for him, and he is a bit chaotic and parties hard, but I am extremely proud of him, he has done way more for himself than I had by that age. And I think he is far from being an exception, nearly all his mates are hard working young Britons too. It's too easy to run down our kids (and some of them make it too easy), I think their lives are much harder than mine was at the same age. And no matter how hard the vast majority of them work they will never be able to afford to buy a decent place to live (it will be my duty and pleasure to help him, and later my daughter, with this at some stage).
He despises all politics and politicians (he was going to study politics at uni before he turned down the place), and would never vote in an election (I was similar at that age). But he is very keen to vote on Thursday. Remain of course. As he says, he has directly benefitted from the presence of industrious EU immigrants, and besides, they are a good laugh.
Similarly my 22 year old has worked extremely hard. Never academic and often in trouble at school, he could easily have gone off the rails (my divorce effected him a fair bit).
Anyway, he got himself an interview for an apprenticeship with a local building firm. They were cutting back their apprentices but were impressed with him and took him on.
So from 16 he was getting up at silly o clock and working really hard. He also had to ride his moped to Oxford and back when he was at college.
He struggled with the theory and nearly quit. But he took private maths lessons and got the necessary qualifications.
He's now a self employed bricklayer, earning good money. He still lives with me, but is hoping to rent somewhere soon.
It's easy to knock the British young, but many of them are very hard working.
Like you with your son, I am immensely proud of him.
Yep all over I think.
The tragic murder of that poor woman and the constant scare tactics have swung it to remain.
People are scared ****less to take the plunge and vote leave.
Col i wouldn't say that as Out voters are like the Tories and will all come out to vote whereas Some IN voters are not always guaranteed to. Although i agree that the fear campaign has worked.
Nice one Col.
Then again, walking the dog yesterday I happened upon an overweight, over made up, perma tanned young lady dumping a ton of litter from her handbag on a wall. There was a bin less than 20 yards away. When I drew her attention to this (tricky, she had, of course, earphones on) she shrugged and just said 'oh I didn't see it' and stopped until I was a few yards further on before she continued. I was tempted to turn back and have a real go, but thought it was bound to end badly and I may end up accused of something (an amazing and totally uncharacteristic display of self control on my part. You should see me with people, especially adults, riding bikes on pavements). So I comforted myself with the reflection that someone so thoughtless, lazy and ignorant is bound to have an miserable life*. Ignoble of me, but satisfying. Thankfully I still believe our lads and the many like them are more typical, but my there are some real twats about.
Wow, 111 votes on this poll now, just about neck and neck.
* post script. My lad was round for dinner last night with my belated Father's Day present (six bottles of craft beer). I relayed this story to him, including the ignorance/misery bit (I didn't tell him about me bigging him up on here, need to keep him on his toes). He responded that actually for most 'ignorance really is bliss' and she would have no conception that her behaviour was anti social, it would be forgotten almost immediately. I think he's right, cocky little sod.
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I've not read the whole of this but has anyone wondered at any point, that whatever the outcome, how can our parliament continue to function with integrity when there are so many politicians (some form the same parties) that so vehemently disagree with each other?
There's potential for some huge sulks from some of them if they don't get their way and possibly policy blocking etc
Also I think there is possible potential for at best mass demonstrations and at worst civil unrest if the vote turns out to be a really close one.
Just a thought............
There's potential for some huge sulks from some of them if they don't get their way and possibly policy blocking etc
Also I think there is possible potential for at best mass demonstrations and at worst civil unrest if the vote turns out to be a really close one.
Just a thought............
Agree
I am still undecided but i will say i am surprised about 'project fear' from the stay team.
David Cameron is a dead man walking whatever.
Osborne is toast if we leave but if we stay, he will have carte blanch on economy.
Expect lots of in-house fighting from both sides.
It all seems to be about money and if we remain then we should expect the same old @@@@ with the economy,
My question would be will people still moan about jobs/NHS if they vote to remain and nothing changes?
How could anyone still be undecided at this stage
Maybe another few days of bullshit from both sides will help you make a decision
Or just don't vote
Maybe another few days of bullshit from both sides will help you make a decision
Or just don't vote
Got to be seriously naive if think anything will change even if remain wins,nothing will !
