Immigration will be used by Brexit greatly come the run-in and it will turn dirty and nasty
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Not OTT at all - heartfelt it seems. I'm an optimist, though, so I always see hope. It means I'm constantly disappointed of course, which is probably why I'm a Rangers supporter. I really believe that there is an appetite amongst younger people for a left-wing alternative, though. The Labour party might not provide it, but something will fill that vacuum. The Bernie Sanders phenomenon in the US shows that the younger generation want a different kind of politics.
I'd much rather the young take Bernie Sanders as their model than Jeremy Corbyn I'm afraid. Let's hope some of that creeps into Clinton's programme after the election.
I see today the airwaves have been dominated today by the fight back - blaming it all on the enemy within, those trying to undermine the Dear Leader. Len Mcluskey with the naked threat that any MPs challenging Corbyn face deselection. Or a purge, if we are to be accurate.
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I completely disagree.
Over 60% of our laws are made by the EU.
We will have no control over any immigration from the EU if we stay in. The Eu is looking to expand by bringing in many more predominantly Islamic Countries which will, imo, leave us more exposed to a terrorist attack.
IMO, one day, we will be forced to join a European superstate.
For me, this all means diminished sovereignty and I truly hope that we will, once again be an independent Country come "Independence Day" on 23rd June.
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The vote is the 23rd Col. Just to let you know. I would hate to see you turn up to vote 24 hours too late.
Once again, wrong. Our continued opt out of Schengen means we can refuse entry to anyone we want NOW, so leaving the EU won't make any difference to that whatsoever. And the 60% claim? It's far nearer 10. The number 60 has been discredited over and again.
I accept you're voting to leave, but don't do it because you believe the standard Brexit lies, mate. Do some proper research and vote to leave once you understand the issues.
I understand the issues and disagree with your claims. IMO you are wrong.
Leaving the EU could cut immigration substantially. Here's a link to back up that opinion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...itain-by-100000-a-year-claims-new-report.html
Here's a link backing up the claim about our laws being created by the EU : http://order-order.com/2015/03/02/comprehensive-study-finds-64-7-of-uk-law-made-in-brussels/
Question for the "leave" peeps who will be voting primarily just on the issues of desire for pre-EU sovereignty and control over immigration...
How much of a drop in GDP would you say was an acceptable drop in our economy (to you) in order to regulate which EU people can live and work here? Don't tell me it won't drop, it will.
How much of a drop in GDP would you say was an acceptable drop in our economy (to you) in order to regulate which EU people can live and work here? Don't tell me it won't drop, it will.
I don't think it necessarily will. Plenty of city funds not being spent in anticipation of the vote, but they'll be spent in Q3 regardless.
A lot of those regulations would either have been made anyway by a UK government if the EU wasn't involved or are a part of the single market mechanism. Surely the question should be whether they are good, effective regulations or not?
On immigration, of course you would cut immigration if you imposed visa requirements on all EU countries, which is what MigrationWatch used as the basis of their report. But as far as I know only UKIP have that as a policy, so it's still open to question whether Brexit will actually reduce the movement of people. I would expect a Tory government to go at it through reduction of benefits and access to public services, targeted at the 'unskilled' migrants rather than a visa system. In other words make the UK a less attractive place to come. I don't think that will work as long as we have relatively well paid unskilled jobs going.
Those funds will be spent at some point. Whether it leads to growth, who knows? There might be a short term economic blip but I don't see there being a long term one.
It's exactly this kind of scaremongering that appears to be pissing off the undecided and putting leave ahead in the polls.
Let's be bold and shape our own future.
What about the sheer amount of things that will benefit the UK in the extent of a Leave vote "that no one knows"?
What's the future of the EU if we stay? Turkey joins? Plenty of uncertainty in our future if we stay too