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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Chaz said:
We're just going round in circles. I've given you the evidence, and you have (regrettably) reverted to type and gone all generalised whine rather than stick on topic and debate the evidence. I'll ask again - let me know a valid reason or evidence why the French would situate these two camps precicely in the two places designed to facilitate access from France to the UK, if not to encourage and assist the illegal travel off of their land and into ours?

And it's not that France kowtows to the EU. Having recently been over in France, I can assure you that they really don't bother with most of the EU regulations, and the EU don't really chase them. Certainly Health and Safety means nothing over there.
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Stop being abusive, Chaz and stick to argument. The French Government didn't place the camps there, the immigrants camped there and the government was constrained by human rights laws as to relocation.

Who said anything about the EU here? The European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU, which of course, you'll know, being so well travelled
 
GoldhawkRd said:
I don't think Cameron ever admitted he had benefitted or may benefit from Panamanian investments. That's why the balloon's gone up now. Osbourne's kept his family financial matters quiet too, despite the fact that we know they were a couple of rich boys
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Actually, David Cameron said that he had shares in an offshore account left to him by his father, which he sold for £300k in January 2010, and paid full UK Capital Gains tax on the profit. He has also said that he and his family have no investments there, and will not in the future.

It's clear this is the politics of jealousy from those who wish they were in the same situation. It's actually getting a bit tiresome now.

What about Corbyn? He was a) late with his tax return; b) fined for the late return, and also, as it turns out , c) fraudulent in not declaring over £10,000 of pension payments. These are actual offences, and amount to actual evasion rather than legal avoidance. Will you be so censorious about him?
 
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GoldhawkRd said:
Stop being abusive, Chaz and stick to argument. The French Government didn't place the camps there, the immigrants camped there and the government was constrained by human rights laws as to relocation.

Who said anything about the EU here? The European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU, which of course, you'll know, being so well travelled
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I'm not being abusive - if you think that was abusive, you should get out more.
 
GoldhawkRd said:
You accuse me of reverting to type and whining - why? Address the argument.
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I asked you for evidence as to why the camps were situated where they were. The response was the standard brexit catch-all : all about the EU and the European Court of Human Rights. Nothing about why the camps aren't set up where the refugees ENTER the country, or where they can be processed properly without the opportunity being afforded them to jump in a lorry and therefore become someone else's problem.

I'm still waiting for a reasoned response to my question.

Of course, if you'd rather take umbrage at imagined abusive language and avoid the issue, then we can move on.
 
Chaz said:
I asked you for evidence as to why the camps were situated where they were. The response was the standard brexit catch-all : all about the EU and the European Court of Human Rights. Nothing about why the camps aren't set up where the refugees ENTER the country, or where they can be processed properly without the opportunity being afforded them to jump in a lorry and therefore become someone else's problem.

I'm still waiting for a reasoned response to my question.

Of course, if you'd rather take umbrage at imagined abusive language and avoid the issue, then we can move on.
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I've answered it twice. I give up.
 
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Chaz said:
Doesn't answer the question. France is facilitating the attempts to reach the UK by providing accommodation (of a sort) right next to the two main UK access points. As we're discussing this in a stay/leave thread, why are the French actively assisting in providing a staging post for attempts to leave the country, if they don't want people to do that? And how will leaving the EU make the prospect of facilitating such efforts any less likely?
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Answers a lot Imo as the people in question are in fact on route to the UK. The French are actually doing a lot more than the UK as are most of the European countries. In the UK it's just fluff, moaning and talk without any real acton at all because the UK is not capable of action. Collectivitly it is impossible to unite UK current culture … there is none just mainstreamer people who don't give a flying **** and are only interested in their own daily concerns.
 
TWGWTDT said:
Answers a lot Imo as the people in question are in fact on route to the UK. The French are actually doing a lot more than the UK as are most of the European countries. In the UK it's just fluff, moaning and talk without any real acton at all because the UK is not capable of action. Collectivitly it is impossible to unite UK current culture … there is none just mainstreamer people who don't give a flying **** and are only interested in their own daily concerns.
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Not so. We know you don't like the UK, but your stateents are incredibly generic and not a little patronising. The issue here isn't what are the UK doing about it, the issue is why on earth do these people not want to stay in France? It's a free country, with a good standard of living and loads of wonderful people who love one another. You tell us so often.

So why don't they want to stay there?
 
Chaz said:
Not so. We know you don't like the UK, but your stateents are incredibly generic and not a little patronising. The issue here isn't what are the UK doing about it, the issue is why on earth do these people not want to stay in France? It's a free country, with a good standard of living and loads of wonderful people who love one another. You tell us so often.

So why don't they want to stay there?
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In a nutshell it's the benefits and opportunity to work on the fiddle/black. When a country lowers its borders as the UK has in the past and welcomed in everyone to work then it becomes a must head for desintation … that's where the UK is now and finally got fed up of it.

The UK is also just one big shop flu of special offers and debt.

France has insisted that if you wish to live in France then you must be of some use to France and also have some idea of the country you wish to become a part of and you are also invited to become part of the community.I can tell you there is a massive gulf between the two countries in terms of treating people and culture.

England doesn't care one bit as the people have been brainwashed to only look after themselves and build their ****ty little debt ridden castles. The capital city of the UK is in fact a major attraction as it is without doubt a separate country within a country. Of course there are brilliant communities in the rural UK but generally even there outsiders are not welcome.

I love my opinion and laugh at your hot air because that is all it is … built on worry and anxiety.

I admire the French who will not take any bullshit from anyone … The UK who pretends to be multi cultural and really caring when it's one of the highest concentration of selfish bullshit on the planet. I sincerely hope the UK votes to leave just so I can l see it implode …FFS look at the news about the UK government … it's the laughing stock of the world
 
TWGWTDT said:
In a nutshell it's the benefits and opportunity to work on the fiddle/black. When a country lowers its borders as the UK has in the past and welcomed in everyone to work then it becomes a must head for desintation … that's where the UK is now and finally got fed up of it.

The UK is also just one big shop flu of special offers and debt.

France has insisted that if you wish to live in France then you must be of some use to France and also have some idea of the country you wish to become a part of and you are also invited to become part of the community.I can tell you there is a massive gulf between the two countries in terms of treating people and culture.

England doesn't care one bit as the people have been brainwashed to only look after themselves and build their ****ty little debt ridden castles. The capital city of the UK is in fact a major attraction as it is without doubt a separate country within a country. Of course there are brilliant communities in the rural UK but generally even there outsiders are not welcome.

I love my opinion and laugh at your hot air because that is all it is … built on worry and anxiety.

I admire the French who will not take any bullshit from anyone … The UK who pretends to be multi cultural and really caring when it's one of the highest concentration of selfish bullshit on the planet. I sincerely hope the UK votes to leave just so I can l see it implode …FFS look at the news about the UK government … it's the laughing stock of the world
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So France are refusing to take people that they think are not of 'some use' to them. That certainly explains why they work so hard to facilitate the process of passing their refugees on to the UK.

As for 'fear and anxiety' - I am not advocating leaving the EU. I think that would be a massive mistake. I want the status quo as far as the EU goes. However, I STILL don't have an answer to my question to you, fond as you are of generating your own hot air.

WHY do these people not want to stay in France? Surely they could become useful to the country? Enough at least to satisfy most. Their refugee status ought to be driven by a desire to get from a place of danger to a place of safety. Is France not safe? They might be economic migrants, looking for a country that will care for them and their family and provide the opportunity to succeed. Does France not offer such a chance for them? Does France care so little for them and their families?

France sounds like a terrible place, if even war refugees are so desperate to leave.

I know it's NOT a terrible place, so - devoid of your usual 'humourous' meanderings - can you give me a sensible, coherent answer?
 
Chaz said:
Actually, David Cameron said that he had shares in an offshore account left to him by his father, which he sold for £300k in January 2010, and paid full UK Capital Gains tax on the profit. He has also said that he and his family have no investments there, and will not in the future.

It's clear this is the politics of jealousy from those who wish they were in the same situation. It's actually getting a bit tiresome now.

What about Corbyn? He was a) late with his tax return; b) fined for the late return, and also, as it turns out , c) fraudulent in not declaring over £10,000 of pension payments. These are actual offences, and amount to actual evasion rather than legal avoidance. Will you be so censorious about him?
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Corbyn's mistake in omitting pension income from his tax return was hardly evasion - he had paid tax at source. Nothing fraudulent or illegal - as with Cameron. Corbyn doesn't employ an accountant and completes his own tax returns. A stupid error, but nothing more - it turns out he actually paid too much tax last year.
 
Stroller said:
Corbyn's mistake in omitting pension income from his tax return was hardly evasion - he had paid tax at source. Nothing fraudulent or illegal - as with Cameron. Corbyn doesn't employ an accountant and completes his own tax returns. A stupid error, but nothing more - it turns out he actually paid too much tax last year.
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Doesn't sound much like somebody to entrust the finances of the nation with, chancellor or no chancellor :)
 
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I'm surprised Chaz hasn't withdrawn his scurrilous accusation of tax evasion against the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.
 
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