It’s not like he owned some massive site with hundreds of employees turning over millions. He was a self-employed bod in a shed.
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It’s not like he owned some massive site with hundreds of employees turning over millions. He was a self-employed bod in a shed.
Some interesting ideas here.....
How to reverse austerity? Scrap some of the tax-relief schemes worth £204bn (msn.com)
Scrapping tax reliefs is easier that putting taxes up.
How to reverse austerity? Scrap some of the tax-relief schemes worth £204bn (msn.com)
Scrapping tax reliefs is easier that putting taxes up.
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The most pathetic attempt to define the working class I've seen. Poorly educated, low income, mostly manual work would be a start. Fact is, most people are middle class these days.
What's your evidence? Genuinely interested as I know little about Starmer's dad's tool making factory.
The latest polls have Labour getting 70% of the seats in the next Parliament but only 40% of the votes. Every government since the Second World War has had more people voting against it than for it.
British representative Parliamentary democracy, doncha just luv it?
British representative Parliamentary democracy, doncha just luv it?
This is just the proof that politicians churn out their spiel without any conviction or understanding for the meaning of what they say to us. The constant ‘ums’ while he trying to think of a coherent vs political answer shows he doesn’t have a clue what he is telling us (and there are plenty more politicians like him for sure, the difference is he’s meant to be the ‘Leader’ of his party, manifesto and this country soon).
Do other countries have this weird obsession with leaders having a hard upbringing?
Starmer’s sounds pretty normal and an ordinary but admirable story of a kid bettering himself. His mum had Still’s disease since he was 11 which I’m sure was pretty tough for the family financially and otherwise but really who cares when it comes to deciding who would be a better PM?
Starmer’s sounds pretty normal and an ordinary but admirable story of a kid bettering himself. His mum had Still’s disease since he was 11 which I’m sure was pretty tough for the family financially and otherwise but really who cares when it comes to deciding who would be a better PM?
Perhaps if he didn’t make such a big thing about it Starmer would have an easier ride. After all, by simply not mentioning that his dad beat up his mum (who understandably had serious mental illnesses) and his own convoluted family life Boris Johnson managed to escape any scrutiny about it.
will labour allow this
Royal Mail owner International Distribution Services has accepted a takeover swoop from Czech billionaire Daniel Kretinsky, meaning the postal company is set to fall into foreign hands for the first time since it was set up by Henry VIII in 1516.
Royal Mail owner International Distribution Services has accepted a takeover swoop from Czech billionaire Daniel Kretinsky, meaning the postal company is set to fall into foreign hands for the first time since it was set up by Henry VIII in 1516.
It’s a bit odd that, given that we are continually told that the only thing the great British public is interested in is cutting immigration - both small boats and legal - that simultaneously they are preparing to hand a super majority to a party which doesn’t really have a policy on immigration and certainly isn’t talking about it.
Still, I’m sure Nige will make sure we don’t forget about it. These foreigners polluting our precious bodily fluids.
Still, I’m sure Nige will make sure we don’t forget about it. These foreigners polluting our precious bodily fluids.
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Not odd. If Reform (created in response to mass immigration) had not been formed, the Tories would be breathing down Labour's neck, despite a woeful governmental record on a number of matters. Mass immigration is highly relevant in this election. It's existence is Labour's gain.
Oh right, so voters are flocking to a party with little interest in immigration because another party in government has failed to control it, and a third party has little else to talk about?
It's hardly "flocking" when this election is predicted to have a record low turnout. A lot of new Labour voters are holding their nose voting for Starmer. But the point is, your original post suggested that immigration might not be major factor in this GE. As I have said, but for huge numbers of legal immigration, the Tories (for all their faults) could have won this election.
It will be interesting to see what the voter turn out will be. I can see it being the lowest for a while, but we’ve had some low ones this century already (2001 - a labour landslide 
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My 87-year-old father has already burnt his voting card saying all of ‘them’ are a complete waste of time and not worth a vote.
)My 87-year-old father has already burnt his voting card saying all of ‘them’ are a complete waste of time and not worth a vote.
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It will be interesting to see what the voter turn out will be. I can see it being the lowest for a while, but we’ve had some low ones this century already (2001 - a labour landslide
My 87-year-old father has already burnt his voting card saying all of ‘them’ are a complete waste of time and not worth a vote.
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It’s interesting how Blair’s “Things Can Only Get Better” 1997 landslide was delivered despite a significant fall in turnout compared to Major’s 1992 surprise majority, as well as the declining enthusiasm for the New Labour project that followed. If the opinion polls etc. are correct this time around then Starmergeddon will get his landslide from a very low turnout. Can it be that the electorate only usher Labour in reluctantly and unenthusiastically these days?
It's probably just disillusioned Tories staying at home. I have a feeling that Reform are going to do so well on 4th July that the Tories will lose out to the LibDems as the largest opposition party, which would be funny. I've got a bet on Reform to get 7 or more seats.
I’d love to see the Tories get a tonking and see the Namby-Pamby Party think they’ve actually got support.
Probably quite a lot of people not bothered as they see their vote being even more worthless than usual, then and now. I’m not sure it will be that low anyway. Weather should be nice which bumps the numbers up a bit.