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Doubt I’d listen if I was in charge either (how are you meant to do what people want when half the people want the opposite?). People are morons best ignored more often than not and it’s generally the dumbest who are the loudest.
The trouble is they listen if the Public give them the answer they want
For example, the Devolution Vote in Wales was closer than the Brexit Vote. They enacted that immediately
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Well yeah if the public happen to want something they consider right then great. The point of a representative democracy is that most people are too ****ing thick to know what’s good for them and certainly won’t understand the mostly boring issues we expect MPs to put the work in to understand. Then we elect Gullis anyway.The trouble is they listen if the Public give them the answer they want
For example, the Devolution Vote in Wales was closer than the Brexit Vote. They enacted that immediately
Has it ever occurred to you that most of the public do know what they want, and it may be you that's ****ing thick, or does your arrogance cloud that issue for you?
No, but most of the thickos want what you want so you’ll roll out this nonsense every six months and get Col excited.
Excellent description of the exploitative nature of shareholder capitalism and how to reverse it from Berlin on the wireless at the moment. The German constitution gives an enormous amount of power to localities, including local referenda which they use a lot in Berlin, and Article 15 of the constitution allows for resources to be taken into shared, community ownership (not state ownership) if they are not working effectively for the community - this clause was created in recognition that big business actively supported and enabled the Nazis, but has been used very rarely. Berlin has socialised the ownership of its water supplies under this article, getting it back from the private sector (with lower prices and improved quality the result) and is in the process of getting ownership of a huge amount of housing which used to be public but which has been bought by financial institutions and rented out at vastly increased prices.
Neat.
Neat.
You're such a drama queen. Let you remind you that by 1933, Hitler had been involved in violent insurrection, led a private army of brown shirts and had been imprisoned for treason. The Jews, communists and social democrats he blamed had not been stabbing people to death including policeman, raping and murdering young German women and girls, or been involved in domestic terrorism or shown a proclivity in disproportionate numbers for sex with 11 year old German girls. I believe in the rule of law. There were plenty of signs for the thinking voter in 1933, what they were voting for.
The French are an easy going, generous and tolerant people, about as far removed from Nazis as you could imagine. Over the weekend, they voted for right wing Marine Le Pen in virtually every area of France except Paris. No doubt you now think they would have voted for Hitler too.
They would actually but it’s a literally dying ideology. Populism is close to its peak but I don’t think there are the numbers amongst the yoof to sustain it long term. Reform will have their day in the Sun, maybe get half a dozen MPs if it goes really well and then what? They’ll have **** all influence.
Broaden your horizons. Jordan Bardella is popular with youngsters in France.
More drama. The interesting thing is, if Europe moves to the right on immigration, it will make Prime Minister Starmer's job on illegal immigration easier. Uncontrolled immigration on the Continent has exascerbated the problem in the UK.
How tragic that the heroes of D-Day died arm in arm with their European and American brothers, on European soil, to save Europe from tyranny, only to see those that follow them take decisions of gross national self-harm, on the basis of the fear of imaginary threats. The Greatest Generation fought real threats to win real freedoms. Those that followed were cowed by rhetoric alone and priotisied self-harm over self-sacrifice.
Light sarcasm to one side, the constant and lazy harking back to WW2 rhetoric - and using those heroes to support our own political views - both does those heroes a disservice, and stops us as a country from collectively realising our true place in the international pecking order. From Suez onwards we've been doggedly refusing to learn that lesson.
Well written, Raving, but I struggled to work out what side of the argument you’re on.
When you say "our", I'm assuming you speak of the whole of the European Continent, since that's were the elections are being held.
I believe, from your past posts, you're involved in finance in the City of London, with an international aspect. And domestically, you stand to benefit from cheap immigrant labour. Has it occurred to you that most other voters, UK or European, do not live in the rarified atmosphere that you do? They vote according to how mass immigration has affected their lives, which is far from imaginary.