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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
That's the exception. How many students and all their family from third world countries like Pakistan or India does Poland or the other east European countries take?

Belgium probably too.

Feels a bit like you’re trying to find an angle to make this about immigration rather than it actually being about immigration. Migrants didn’t cause Liz Truss to play sixth form economics with our money or key workers to get real terms pay decreases over those years.
 
Belgium probably too.

Feels a bit like you’re trying to find an angle to make this about immigration rather than it actually being about immigration. Migrants didn’t cause Liz Truss to play sixth form economics with our money or key workers to get real terms pay decreases over those years.

Just think you have to see that chart in context. And economies too. Germany and the Eurozone not looking too clever at present.
 
Every other country on that chart is doing better on that metric and it’s a pretty important metric.

Poverty is a relative concept, definable in different ways. Here's what a spokesperson for the Department for Work and Pensions said:

“There are 400,000 fewer children and 1.7 million fewer people in absolute poverty when compared to 2010.

“But we understand some families are still struggling. This is why we have worked hard to halve inflation and are providing on average £3,700 per household to help with the cost of living, including increasing benefits by over 10 per cent this year.”
 
Poverty is a relative concept, definable in different ways. Here's what a spokesperson for the Department for Work and Pensions said:

“There are 400,000 fewer children and 1.7 million fewer people in absolute poverty when compared to 2010.

“But we understand some families are still struggling. This is why we have worked hard to halve inflation and are providing on average £3,700 per household to help with the cost of living, including increasing benefits by over 10 per cent this year.”

If you believe that bollocks I’ve got a Brexit to sell you.
 
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If you believe that bollocks I’ve got a Brexit to sell you.

The fact that food banks numbers are growing so much is a sign of how wealthy everyone is. They can just pass a law to say that being poor isn't a thing anymore and it's sorted <cheers>
 
If it's not true, then before you attempt to sell me anything, show me why it is factually incorrect

Because they’ve intentionally conflated the different definitions of poverty. It’s arbitrarily set at 60% of median income but a median income isn’t stretching as far as it used to and especially not once mortgage/rent inflation is taken into account. Throw in the level of inflation on the stuff poor people actually spend their money on rather than the headline inflation rate and it’s non-sensical to suggest fewer people are in poverty.

Bringing the minimum wage up above inflation is great if you’re on minimum wage but it doesn’t filter through to push all wages up above inflation so the bloke who was on £10/hour is now on £11 but the bloke on £12/hour who has just seen his rent go up 10% isn’t suddenly getting £13.20 to cover it and that’s before stealth taxes which have ****ed us all to some extent.
 
Because they’ve intentionally conflated the different definitions of poverty. It’s arbitrarily set at 60% of median income but a median income isn’t stretching as far as it used to and especially not once mortgage/rent inflation is taken into account. Throw in the level of inflation on the stuff poor people actually spend their money on rather than the headline inflation rate and it’s non-sensical to suggest fewer people are in poverty.

Bringing the minimum wage up above inflation is great if you’re on minimum wage but it doesn’t filter through to push all wages up above inflation so the bloke who was on £10/hour is now on £11 but the bloke on £12/hour who has just seen his rent go up 10% isn’t suddenly getting £13.20 to cover it and that’s before stealth taxes which have ****ed us all to some extent.

You've described relative poverty. The DWP refers to absolute poverty. I just wondered how you knew the DWP figures on absolute poverty were incorrect.
 
You've described relative poverty. The DWP refers to absolute poverty. I just wondered how you knew the DWP figures on absolute poverty were incorrect.

They conflate it again by referring to “absolute” poverty with a different definition to what I, and probably you, understand it as. The report I skimmed through earlier https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07096/SN07096.pdf is what I assume you’re referring to.
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Absolute poverty as I was taught it was below a very low arbitrary income level ($2 a day I think) which isn’t applicable to this country.

How can poverty not be rising logically when median income is £34k and we’ve had the inflation we’ve had in necessities and living costs? People might be just about surviving but living standards are in the bin.
 
Looking like the Tories might ditch Sunak.

Nigel will be free in a few weeks. It's the natural progression. Shame for them that Enoch is no longer around, Nick Griffin would probably be up for it though.