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NHS Nurse Band 4 - £27,586
Junior Doctor starting salary - £32,300
Construction Labourer average salary - £23,000
Care Worker average salary - £23,410
Farm Worker average salary - £23,400
University Lecturer average starting salary - £34,804
So that salary cap imposed by this government on incoming migrant workers ...will stop us getting all the workers we need to kick start the economy and keep our care system working.
And higher skilled/ salaried people ( who are further up the career ladder and so no doubt with family ) will be put off by the family rules.
Great planning and forethought
Junior Doctor starting salary - £32,300
Construction Labourer average salary - £23,000
Care Worker average salary - £23,410
Farm Worker average salary - £23,400
University Lecturer average starting salary - £34,804
So that salary cap imposed by this government on incoming migrant workers ...will stop us getting all the workers we need to kick start the economy and keep our care system working.
And higher skilled/ salaried people ( who are further up the career ladder and so no doubt with family ) will be put off by the family rules.
Great planning and forethought
The health and care workers and are ‘special cases of shortage’ and the new rules don’t apply to the same extent Beth - essentially they can’t bring any family with them, which will of course put off a lot. But they can still be paid low wages. The Shortage Occupation list is a scam in several ways - it rips off the migrants by explicitly paying them less than the going rate for the job, often under the alleged minimum wage, and it rips off British workers by undercutting normal wages and disincentivising employers to recruit locally (there are some weak rules meant to prevent this but they are not enforced).
A lovely little nationalist capitalist conundrum. They can’t have their cake and eat it - cheap labour and low immigration. What they would love is docile British cheap labour, but we aren’t breeding fast enough to make this feasible. Of course in real supply and demand free market capitalism a shortage of labour in a particular sector should lead to higher wages, not a government plan to import workers and pay them 20% less than local counterparts would expect to get. Personally I don’t think anybody should be exploited on the basis that they don’t demand as much pay as someone else. Our ersatz economy is built on this exploitation. Perhaps we need the wake up call that a collapse in immigration will bring. We have the finances and ethics of a third world country and very soon (already in some cases) we will have the services, private and public, to match. Massive recalibration needed, and we won’t get it from Starmer et al.
The most startling thing for me is that, if you, a British citizen, happen to fall in love with someone who isn’t a British citizen and get married, they can’t live with you in this country unless you earn over £38k. Presumably people of a Tory mindset think that absolutely everyone is crooked and out to game the system and will be marrying foreigners left right and centre in order to get some mythical gain. Of course, as this is their own take on life - survival of the fittest, the rest can drown - it’s not that surprising that they think everybody else is as venal as them.
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It's more than the Tory base:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...has-been-too-high-or-low-in-the-last-10-years
It’s akin to a fat bloke cutting off his legs to say he’s lost weight.
It’ll end up with enough exemptions to be pointless if it even ends up happening and I guess Labour can just bin it.
If only we could have an arrangement whereby people from nearby countries (in Europe, say) could come to the UK to fill the vacancies that we have, without having to go through complicated visa application processes, and then go home again.
The Tories are currently in the process of preparing for being in opposition by ****ing everything up on purpose to make it as difficult as possible for Labour when they take over.
I've heard about getting excuses in early, but this is ridiculous...
Hard to think of any other explanation for the crazy nonsense they're coming up with.
Donors’ bank accounts. Our foodbanks are bigger and better. White City is nicer.
Rumours have it that little Tom Carroll is improving every year and will take the PL by storm any moment.
Reading a bit more about the £38k cut-off it feels particularly cruel as well as counter-productive. Will appeal to the dregs of society for five minutes until they start moaning again about forrens.
First Patel, then Braverman, now Cleverley flies out to Rwanda to the continue the pretence that their bonkers refugee plan is actually a serious policy. Sorry pal, Cummings has let the cat out of the bag - it was only ever meant to be a diversion, a stunt. Surely no one thinks that the scheme, even if it ever could get off the ground (it won't), would have anything more than a miniscule impact on numbers of asylum seekers?
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Interesting that those with the greatest minus numbers accept least the least number of immigrants