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qprbeth said:
It's hard to delineate between someone telling a sick funny joke and some one telling a sick funny joke who has a deranged mind...until something happens...and then thanks to
selective retrospectivenes, then everyone knew.


Something happened in that police What's App ... Sarah Everard was murdered...and so the whole ring is punished to various degrees.


The Wembley Park case where they sent out of photos of the murdered sisters, to a their mates..is just morally wrong. And they diserve punishment. I do not think you can disagree with that Stainsy
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Anyone in their right mind would say that taking the photos of dead women and sharing them is utterly detestable, morally wrong and, in my opinion, definitely deserved of punishment…..but that’s not what we are talking about here (I wasn’t anyway).

You seem to now be suggesting that telling sick jokes should be punishable….because it MIGHT be hiding something more sinister ?
Isn’t this getting a bit ‘Minority Report’ ?
 
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Think you may have missed out a not ...in your first paragraph Stainsy... but agree with the sentiment.

And no I am not saying the second part of the post at all.

My last post implied it is just being clever after the event.
In the Sarah Everard case, the what's app group was shielding an evil mind...( behind the jokes, abd the misogynistic rants)...we know that is true by what happened.

I am sure there are loads of groups telling each other sick jokes...and nothing will come of it....and no I am not suggesting we lock them away. But it would be nice to reeducate them I must admit...but that is another completely different argument


From the reports today, the police is riddled with " badduns", thieves, dealers, wife beaters, racist.
It is not a pretty sight at all
 
If hate is a crime then all forms of hate should be a crime. Who determines what hate is? If all forms of hate are crimes then hatred of those with a different opinion should be punishable. See where this is going?
 
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qprbeth said:
Think you may have missed out a not ...in your first paragraph Stainsy... but agree with the sentiment.

And no I am not saying the second part of the post at all.

My last post implied it is just being clever after the event.
In the Sarah Everard case, the what's app group was shielding an evil mind...( behind the jokes, abd the misogynistic rants)...we know that is true by what happened.

I am sure there are loads of groups telling each other sick jokes...and nothing will come of it....and no I am not suggesting we lock them away. But it would be nice to reeducate them I must admit...but that is another completely different argument


From the reports today, the police is riddled with " badduns", thieves, dealers, wife beaters, racist.
It is not a pretty sight at all
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Again you seem to be going off on a tangent about “badduns” in the popo…….that’s another discussion altogether I feel.

But now at last you now seem to be agreeing that sick jokes should not be punishable by prison……i feel my job is done.
 
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Seems their biggest offense was knowing a murderer
I knew an unconvicted murderer once
Everyone knew he did it
Glad I don't Whatsapp him


Wayne Couzens: PCs in WhatsApp group with Sarah Everard killer jailed
2 November 2022
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Joel Borders (left) and Jonathon Cobban have been jailed for sharing offensive messages in a WhatsApp group

A serving Met police constable and an ex-officer have been jailed for sharing "grossly racist, sexist, and misogynistic" messages with Sarah Everard's killer.

Jonathon Cobban, 35, and Joel Borders, 46, shared WhatsApp messages about women and disabled people in a group with Wayne Couzens.

The pair were jailed for 12 weeks and bailed pending an appeal.

Couzens murdered Ms Everard while a serving Met officer.

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Serving officer Cobban and ex-PC Borders, who were members of a chat called "Bottle and Stoppers", were convicted on 21 September.

Westminster Magistrates' Court heard they joked about raping a female colleague, talked about Tasering children and people with disabilities, and displayed racist views in the group in 2019.

'Grossly offensive'
District Judge Sarah Turnock said she could not think of "more grossly offensive messages". She bailed the pair ahead of an appeal against their convictions at the High Court.

"They encapsulated the full range of prejudiced views, racism, misogyny, ableism and homophobia," the judge said.

She said the officers harmed public confidence in policing and that their messages would have caused "great distress" to victims who they had "sworn an oath to protect".

In the group chat, which included seven new Met Police officers, Cobban joked about sexually abusing domestic violence survivors who he said "love it… that's why they are repeat victims more often than not".

The officers described the messages as "banter" and dismissed many of the comments as examples of "dark humour".

The judge said Cobban and Borders had shown no "genuine remorse" but were "indignant" to find themselves before the court.

Cobban was found guilty of three counts of sending grossly offensive messages, while Borders was convicted of five charges.

Another officer, PC William Neville, 34, of Weybridge in Surrey, was cleared of sending grossly offensive messages following a trial in July.

Cdr Jon Savell, of the Met Police, said: "The behaviour of these officers is despicable. It is staggering that they regard this language as defensible.

"I am deeply sorry these officers have let down the public, and their Met colleagues.

"We are determined to rid this organisation of those who corrupt its integrity, and are increasing our efforts to do that more quickly.

"As a result, we may well see more cases emerging, as we leave no stone unturned in tackling offensive behaviour."
 
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kiwiqpr said:
Seems their biggest offense was knowing a murderer
I knew an unconvicted murderer once
Everyone knew he did it
Glad I don't Whatsapp him


Wayne Couzens: PCs in WhatsApp group with Sarah Everard killer jailed
2 November 2022
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IMAGE SOURCE,PA MEDIA

Image caption,
Joel Borders (left) and Jonathon Cobban have been jailed for sharing offensive messages in a WhatsApp group

A serving Met police constable and an ex-officer have been jailed for sharing "grossly racist, sexist, and misogynistic" messages with Sarah Everard's killer.

Jonathon Cobban, 35, and Joel Borders, 46, shared WhatsApp messages about women and disabled people in a group with Wayne Couzens.

The pair were jailed for 12 weeks and bailed pending an appeal.

Couzens murdered Ms Everard while a serving Met officer.

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Serving officer Cobban and ex-PC Borders, who were members of a chat called "Bottle and Stoppers", were convicted on 21 September.

Westminster Magistrates' Court heard they joked about raping a female colleague, talked about Tasering children and people with disabilities, and displayed racist views in the group in 2019.

'Grossly offensive'
District Judge Sarah Turnock said she could not think of "more grossly offensive messages". She bailed the pair ahead of an appeal against their convictions at the High Court.

"They encapsulated the full range of prejudiced views, racism, misogyny, ableism and homophobia," the judge said.

She said the officers harmed public confidence in policing and that their messages would have caused "great distress" to victims who they had "sworn an oath to protect".

In the group chat, which included seven new Met Police officers, Cobban joked about sexually abusing domestic violence survivors who he said "love it… that's why they are repeat victims more often than not".

The officers described the messages as "banter" and dismissed many of the comments as examples of "dark humour".

The judge said Cobban and Borders had shown no "genuine remorse" but were "indignant" to find themselves before the court.

Cobban was found guilty of three counts of sending grossly offensive messages, while Borders was convicted of five charges.

Another officer, PC William Neville, 34, of Weybridge in Surrey, was cleared of sending grossly offensive messages following a trial in July.

Cdr Jon Savell, of the Met Police, said: "The behaviour of these officers is despicable. It is staggering that they regard this language as defensible.

"I am deeply sorry these officers have let down the public, and their Met colleagues.

"We are determined to rid this organisation of those who corrupt its integrity, and are increasing our efforts to do that more quickly.

"As a result, we may well see more cases emerging, as we leave no stone unturned in tackling offensive behaviour."
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The world has gone mad.
 
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