Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Staines R's]

All depends on bent coppers, a bent judicary system and a bent judge

Or a guilty defendant

 

[sb_73]

Si from that I’m reading that Goldie is in fact incorrect and self defence isn’t an excuse

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_in_English_law

All hinges on whether the force used in self defence is ‘reasonable’. So in the example of Nazis smashing in the door of a Jewish family, the judge would have to decide whether the Nazis were definitely going to kill the family. People forget how subjective the law is……



….as if judges and the law get involved in the day to day stuff of wars ffs…..

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Would it ? I didn’t think so but happy to be wrong

If a killer was trying to get into your house to kill your family and you killed him, that's self defence.

Tony Martin killed a burglar.

 

[Staines R's]

If a killer was trying to get into your house to kill your family and you killed him, that's self defence.

Tony Martin killed a burglar.

But would you not have to prove he was going to kill you ?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

But would you not have to prove he was going to kill you ?

You can use reasonable force to defend yourself or someone else

 

[Staines R's]

You can use reasonable force to defend yourself or someone else

But would killing someone in your house be deemed as ‘reasonable force’ ?

An interesting subject

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

But would killing someone in your house be deemed as ‘reasonable force’ ?

An interesting subject

Yes, if they came into your house to kill you or your family. The reason I raised it to show that most countries' laws will most definitely take a side in this situation, and won't take the view that if you fight back, you're just as bad as the killer.

 

[Staines R's]

Yes, if they came into your house to kill you or your family. The reason I raised it to show that most countries' laws will most definitely take a side in this situation, and won't take the view that if you fight back, you're just as bad as the killer.

But mate, surely the assailant isn’t a killer if he hasn’t actually killed anyone. In your opinion, is the onus on you to prove he attended to kill or on the prosecution to prove that he didn’t and say….just rob the place ?

 

[bobmid]

But mate, surely the assailant isn’t a killer if he hasn’t actually killed anyone. In your opinion, is the onus on you to prove he attended to kill or on the prosecution to prove that he didn’t and say….just rob the place ?

Its a massive grey area, could have just got the wrong address for a fancy dress party!

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

But mate, surely the assailant isn’t a killer if he hasn’t actually killed anyone. In your opinion, is the onus on you to prove he attended to kill or on the prosecution to prove that he didn’t and say….just rob the place ?

The test for whether you believe you and your loved ones are in danger is subjective. So you can defend yourself if you believe there is a real threat.

The test for what force you can use is objective. It has to be deemed reasonable in the eyes of right thinking members of the public. The Clapham omnibus test.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Its a massive grey area, could have just got the wrong address for a fancy dress party!

Lesson - check the invitation address before going out dressed as the mad axeman.

 

[Staines R's]

The test for whether you believe you and your loved ones are in danger is subjective. So you can defend yourself if you believe there is a real threat.

The test for what force you can use is objective. It has to be deemed reasonable in the eyes of right thinking members of the public. The Clapham omnibus test.

This is what I like about this thread….always an opportunity to learn.
Googled The Clapham Omnibus test as had never heard of it.
Will read properly later as still watching TopBoy.

 

[rangercol]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_in_English_law

All hinges on whether the force used in self defence is ‘reasonable’. So in the example of Nazis smashing in the door of a Jewish family, the judge would have to decide whether the Nazis were definitely going to kill the family. People forget how subjective the law is……



….as if judges and the law get involved in the day to day stuff of wars ffs…..

Seems pretty ****ing reasonable to me.

 

[bobmid]

Seems pretty ****ing reasonable to me.

Think you will be fine Col, must be big odds of it happening

 

[rangercol]

Think you will be fine Col, must be big odds of it happening

Take the piss all you want Bob.
There's some really strange **** being posted on here lately.

 

[Staines R's]

Take the piss all you want Bob.
There's some really strange **** being posted on here lately.

Eh ? Expand Col…..

 

[Uber_Hoop]

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Here’s some strange ****.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

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Here’s some strange ****.

I think she may be David Icke's lovechild

 

[SW Ranger]

That’s the thing….if it was a drunk youth kicking out I probably may have handled it far better and not been so gentle, even under provocation.
But hearing an old lady call out for her mummy has really moved me to actual tears. I feel broken

Sorry to hear about you and your crew mate Staines. I can’t even begin to understand the stress something like this puts you all under; the pain and emotion is so high. Come through it and back stronger, your humility and compassion is admirable and demands complete respect mate

 

[ELLERS]

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