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rangercol said:
Agree with most of this.
I believe MI5 had no other option but to make this announcement.
They'd warned Gardener, but this liason continued.
She clearly tried to cast her net far and wide, across the political spectrum. It just landed a catch with the useful idiot Gardener.
It wasn't illegal, so what else could MI5 do after Gardener ignored them?
It's not new. All States do this.
Transparency tends to leave our security services with one hand tied behind their backs. I'm undecided as to whether this is a good or bad thing.
Probably a bit of both.

I don't think it was a political decision.
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Stroller said:
It's not her as a person - I'm sure she'll do the best job she can - but she's been put in an impossible position. She's in the Cabinet Office, working for Johnson's government, and therefore not independent.
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Stroller said:
It's not her as a person - I'm sure she'll do the best job she can - but she's been put in an impossible position. She's in the Cabinet Office, working for Johnson's government, and therefore not independent.
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Ah so the process and how genuinely independent it will be, yes if she is handing it to those she’s reporting on it doesn’t sit right. If for instance the a team in the Met police were to do a report about the Met police then hand it over to Dick, would everyone be ok?
 
rangercol said:
All I'm saying is this goes on all the time.
All States try this stuff on.
She was targeting the British political system and got lucky with Gardener.
She would dearly have preferred Cameron or someone high up in government at his time.
Most often it's civil servants that are targeted.
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I can agree with that Col. Her aim, like any agent will be to try and infiltrate the highest office. She just used a useful idiot to get there.
My argument was the usual idiots trying to deflect the story away from Labour by posting pictures of May and Cameron. More useful idiots.
 
Willhoops said:
Ah so the process and how genuinely independent it will be, yes if she is handing it to those she’s reporting on it doesn’t sit right. If for instance the a team in the Met police were to do a report about the Met police then hand it over to Dick, would everyone be ok?
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Ah so? That's a bit Chinese isn't it? Ellers will be posting more infantile memes any minute.
 
Willhoops said:
Ah so the process and how genuinely independent it will be, yes if she is handing it to those she’s reporting on it doesn’t sit right. If for instance the a team in the Met police were to do a report about the Met police then hand it over to Dick, would
everyone be ok?
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She's independent.
Civil Servants are not part of the Government.
Regardless of which office she works in, she isn't in the government.

I'm pretty sure her report will be made public and not just handed to Boris.
 
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rangercol said:
She's independent.
Civil Servants are not part of the Government.
Regardless of which office she works in, she isn't in the government.

I'm pretty sure her report will be made public and not just handed to Boris.
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She’s independent mate and I have now heard 2 different people say just that. Apparently she plays by the book and is renowned for it. Sadly the usual suspects are making unjust claims… unless of course the 2 people I heard are now on Boris’s pay roll?
 
rangercol said:
She's independent.
Civil Servants are not part of the Government.
Regardless of which office she works in, she isn't in the government.

I'm pretty sure her report will be made public and not just handed to Boris.
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Thanks Col
 
Right the source here will instantly be dismissed by some people but if what he’s saying about the reporting line I’d share the concerns raised. As far as I can see the only way Johnson will be held to any real level of accountability is by Torys themselves who will all want damage limitation to the parties reputation. A further concern there is if you are ambitious and feel Johnson should be moved on, your decision as to what you say or do might be swayed due to the worry that if he stays on .. let’s face it you aren’t getting on the front bench anytime soon if you’ve been very critical.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-sue-gray-investigation-b1992264.html
 
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ELLERS said:
I can agree with that Col. Her aim, like any agent will be to try and infiltrate the highest office. She just used a useful idiot to get there.
My argument was the usual idiots trying to deflect the story away from Labour by posting pictures of May and Cameron. More useful idiots.
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Ive learned the art of deflection from the most useful idiot on here!
 
ELLERS said:
She’s independent mate and I have now heard 2 different people say just that. Apparently she plays by the book and is renowned for it. Sadly the usual suspects are making unjust claims… unless of course the 2 people I heard are now on Boris’s pay roll?
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What claims have been made ellers?
 
I stated my stance on Gardiner as i dont agree with any corrupt activities or lies. We could have an inquiry into it if people choose, as that seems to be a preferential line to follow for some, then wait for the full facts. Maybe sue gray could do it pending no more parties...i mean work events . The pure hypocricy by one or one on here is absolutely crazy to the point of madness. Just have a set of values and morals and stick to them regardless of what party a certain person under investigation belongs to.
 
So what I’m getting at is the report itself can be as critical as you like, I’m still unsure what influence Johnson has over Gray’s position and potential for career advancement, but ultimately it will be the conservatives who will implement anything off the back of, and any actions would include… the leader of that party.

He should get Cummings back he’s good at putting spin on anything, I’m sure he’d do a job on the findings.
 
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