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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
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You and your chums are minnows in the grand scheme of things. You just post anti government stuff all the time. As I said most people won’t be too interested in this.
I'm struggling to get on board with any political party at the moment and it's peoples right to criticise acts of corruption, potential disgusting statements, lies, wasting of tax payers money etc if they choose to, just as its your right to defend such acts. One of many differences between us is that I would be criticising in exactly the same way if it was any party in government who were behaving like this.
 
Brexit: Tensions overshadow EU vote on UK trade deal
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image captionEU Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen oversees trade relations with the UK
The European Parliament is expected to ratify the post-Brexit EU-UK trade deal - a key move to ensure that tariff-and quota-free trade continues.

The Trade and Co-operation Agreement (TCA) has been operating provisionally since January. MEPs voted on Tuesday and a result is due on Wednesday.

Brexit tensions remain, including a French threat of "reprisals" against the UK over new fishing restrictions.

Northern Ireland trade is also a thorny issue.

Under a separate protocol, Northern Ireland remains de facto part of the EU's single market, so goods arriving there from Britain have to undergo EU checks. Since Brexit there has been some disruption to that trade.

The TCA covers EU-UK trade in goods, but not services. The UK economy is dominated by services - sectors such as banking, insurance, advertising and legal advice.


The TCA has still resulted in more paperwork, extra costs and less trade between the two sides, since the UK left the EU.

Among the areas not covered by the deal are foreign policy, financial services and student exchanges.

Cross-Channel tensions
Before the MEPs' debate started, French Europe Minister Clément Beaune accused the UK of blocking fishing rights. He said the EU could respond with "reprisals" in financial services.

"The United Kingdom is expecting quite a few authorisations from us for financial services. We won't give any for as long as we don't have guarantees on fishing and other issues," he said on French news channel BFMTV.

French fishermen have complained of being prevented from operating in British waters because of difficulties in obtaining licences.

Meanwhile, British seafood exporters have been hit by an EU ban on UK exports of live shellfish. Scottish firms account for most of that business, and some now face collapse.


The UK made fishing rights a key issue in the negotiations, with control over access to its waters seen as a sign of British sovereignty.

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Praising the TCA when it was agreed in December, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said "we have taken back control of our laws and our destiny".

He described it as "a deal which will if anything allow our companies and our exporters to do even more business with our European friends".

Brexit 'a lose-lose situation'
In the European Parliament, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, said Brexit was a divorce and a warning of the feelings of the people: "It's a failure of the European Union and we have to learn lessons from it."

German MEP David McAllister said Brexit "will always be a lose-lose situation", but he called on fellow MEPs to ratify the TCA.

Two key committees of the European Parliament have already overwhelmingly backed the TCA. But a draft resolution will invite MEPs to declare the UK's exit from the EU an "historic mistake".


EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the TCA "comes with real teeth, with a binding dispute settlement mechanism". And she warned that the EU would use those teeth if necessary.

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Bruises left from Brexit talks
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After nearly four years of difficult negotiations on the UK exit from the EU and the post-Brexit relationship, it's hardly surprising that a few bruises are showing.

The TCA certainly hasn't solved everything. There are still big questions to resolve on issues like financial services, for example.

Monitoring and implementing what has been agreed, in a complex network of committees, will also be a constant feature of the new relationship.

But it will take some time before the long-term effect on trade becomes clear.

Trade volumes fell sharply in January before rebounding in February. But the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex says UK exports to the EU were still down by 17.2% in February compared to an average of February 2018 to 2020.

A significant part is down to Brexit, although Covid is also a factor.

The most prominent post-Brexit issue so far this year, though, isn't part of the TCA itself. Northern Ireland's trading relationship with the rest of the UK, and with the EU, won't change as a result of this agreement being ratified.

Both sides say they are working hard to find practical solutions in Northern Ireland, but some checks on trade between NI and Britain will remain in place.

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media captionIs the point-scoring coming to an end - or have we only seen the first half of this grudge match?
The European Commission has launched legal action, accusing the UK of breaching the agreement on Northern Ireland trade and breaking international law - charges Downing Street denies.

The TCA is a 1,400-page deal which was not clinched until 24 December. The Brexit negotiations began in 2017 and the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020. Common rules remained during the UK's transition period until January 2021.

What else is affected by Brexit?
Brexit also means:

  • Blanket free movement of citizens between the UK and EU no longer applies. Business travellers do not need a visa for short trips, but artists and performers are not covered - so, for example, British rock bands face bureaucracy for gigs in the EU
  • The rights of the roughly one million UK citizens living in the EU, and of EU citizens in the UK, are protected under the TCA. But the UK citizens face varying deadlines for obtaining residence rights; for the three million EU citizens in the UK the deadline for applications is 30 June
  • Government subsidies are now under intense scrutiny on both sides, as the EU insists on a "level playing field" in trade. Courts will have to decide in cases where subsidies are allegedly unfair. UK financial services, not covered by the TCA, face new EU bureaucracy - so many City banks have beefed up their EU-based operations.

I was reliably informed Brexit got done.
 
Minnows and your a shark right? A shark who fluffs Johnson before he metaphorically ****s your mrs and wipes his cock on the curtains. Then nicks your wallet sells your car and tells you it’s labours and immigrants fault it happened.. and you ask if he’s coming back again next week.
My mum is dead. Have some respect you @@@@.
 
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Minnows and your a shark right? A shark who fluffs Johnson before he metaphorically ****s your mrs and wipes his cock on the curtains. Then nicks your wallet sells your car and tells you it’s labours and immigrants fault it happened.. and you ask if he’s coming back again next week.

Too personal - not your best post, Will.
 
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I didn’t have my glasses on then. He said Mrs and not Mum.
Still an unsavoury @@@@ for mentioning family members.

metaphor!! Ok well it’s an abomination that I used a metaphor... yet when Johnson shouts out the the bodies pile up high.. those so keen to have a go at me defend Johnson. At least in my metaphor hundreds of thousands of people haven’t lost someone close to them in the last year.. but it’s fine Johnson is a character... but hypocritical really.
 
One point from this is people have a number of things they love and that mean a lot to them. I have had me, who I am, my character, my passions ridiculed and belittled on numerous occasions. Similar has happened to others as well...
 
One point from this is people have a number of things they love and that mean a lot to them. I have had me, who I am, my character, my passions ridiculed and belittled on numerous occasions. Similar has happened to others as well...

We all have freedom of speech, Will. I agree, sometimes stuff gets said that does belittle a poster's character (definitely to be avoided) or his/her beliefs (fair debate, so long as not abusive). But references, particularly sexualised references, to posters' family members are not right. I think we're agreed on that.
 
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We all have freedom of speech, Will. I agree, sometimes stuff gets said that does belittle a poster's character (definitely to be avoided) or his/her beliefs (fair debate, so long as not abusive). But references, particularly sexualised references, to posters' family members are not right. I think we're agreed on that.

Is it okay to criticise Eller's long term tenant?

Our dear comrade Jeremy
 
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