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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
You always have something negative to say about this country. I choose an independent report. You just don’t like to hear forecasts of us doing well.
Mate you still have 2 days to get to the EU and you can join them? You obviously dislike this country... getaway while you can.

I didn’t say anything negative about the country. I just pointed out after years of you refusing to acknowledge the predictions of 99% of credible experts you suddenly place your faith wholeheartedly into this one forecast.

Maybe our GDP will be ok in 10/20/30 years. It’s a useful metric for its simplicity but doesn’t address the more important issues of standard of living for the worst off and inequality.

I could have gone back for a bit as it happens but your Party has made it all a lot more difficult to appease flag-waving idiots unfortunately.
 
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I didn’t say anything negative about the country. I just pointed out after years of you refusing to acknowledge the predictions of 99% of credible experts you suddenly place your faith wholeheartedly into this one forecast.

Maybe our GDP will be ok in 10/20/30 years. It’s a useful metric for its simplicity but doesn’t address the more important issues of standard of living for the worst off and inequality.

I could have gone back for a bit as it happens but your Party has made it all a lot more difficult to appease flag-waving idiots unfortunately.
Only flag waving idiots I ever see are the EU Loving mob outside Parliament.
And you are always saying negative stuff about the country and you get pulled up on it all the time.
Your problem is that you don’t know how to enjoy yourself. After this Covid crap has gone I will take you to the Tory tea party fete. Let your hair down for the day. Maybe Priti and May will be there? I know John Redwood will be.
 
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Uk has a trade deficit eith the EU of 97 bn and a del was agreed.

Uk has a trade surplus of 18 bn in services and a deal not agreed.

In financial terms not a “victory” remains the sovereignty angle. Hard to pass a final judgment however we all hope to move on quickly.
 
Only flag waving idiots I ever see are the EU Loving mob outside Parliament.
And you are always saying negative stuff about the country and you get pulled up on it all the time.
Your problem is that you don’t know how to enjoy yourself. After this Covid crap has gone I will take you to the Tory tea party fete. Let your hair down for the day. Maybe Priti and May will be there? I know John Redwood will be.

It would be nice to let my hair down. Maybe you can wear a wig.
 
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Brexit: European Research Group of Conservative MPs gives support for EU trade deal
A group of influential Conservative Brexiteers has declared its support for the EU trade deal agreed by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
The European Research Group (ERG) said the agreement, struck with Brussels on Christmas Eve, "preserves the UK's sovereignty as a matter of law".

Well that's that sorted. All focus on Labour and SNP
 
Oh dear Norway not happy. They think deal we have is better than theirs and they are in the EEA.
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The whole rotten house of cards will be coming down.
 
i missed this news not reported by the BBC/Guardian and others. After all the doom and gloom. I am pleased to see a positive story without all the project fear.
Why can't the economic doom-mongers admit they got it wrong on Brexit?
Ross Clark
As the shape of post-Brexit Britain becomes clearer, think tanks are being forced to revise their forecasts.

I'm sure it was purely pressure of space that stopped the BBC website reporting a forecast by the Centre for Economic and Business Research (CEBR) that the UK economy will grow to become 23 per cent larger than that of France by 2035.

Then following on I read a story about the CBER forecasts. I highlighted an interesting bit.
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China to leapfrog US as world’s biggest economy by 2028: Report

China will overtake the United States to become the world’s biggest economy in 2028, five years earlier than previously estimated due to the contrasting recoveries of the two countries from the COVID-19 pandemic, a think-tank said.

“For some time, an overarching theme of global economics has been the economic and soft power struggle between the United States and China,” the Centre for Economics and Business Research said in an annual report published on Saturday.

“The COVID-19 pandemic and corresponding economic fallout have certainly tipped this rivalry in China’s favour.”

The CEBR said China’s “skilful management of the pandemic”, with its strict early lockdown, and hits to long-term growth in the West meant China’s relative economic performance had improved.

China looked set for the average economic growth of 5.7 percent a year from 2021-25 before slowing to 4.5 percent a year from 2026-30.

While the United States was likely to have a strong post-pandemic rebound in 2021, its growth would slow to 1.9 percent a year between 2022 and 2024, and then to 1.6 percent after that.

Japan would remain the world’s third-biggest economy, in dollar terms, until the early 2030s when it would be overtaken by India, pushing Germany down from fourth to fifth.
The United Kingdom, currently the fifth-biggest economy by the CEBR’s measure, would slip to sixth place from 2024.

However, despite a hit in 2021 from its exit from the European Union’s single market, the British gross domestic product (GDP) in dollars was forecast to be 23 percent higher than France’s by 2035, helped by the UK’s lead in the increasingly important digital economy.

Europe accounted for 19 percent of output in the top 10 global economies in 2020 but that will fall to 12 percent by 2035, or lower if there is an acrimonious split between the EU and the UK, the CEBR said.

It also said the pandemic’s impact on the global economy was likely to show up in higher inflation, not slower growth.

“We see an economic cycle with rising interest rates in the mid-2020s,” it said, posing a challenge for governments which have borrowed massively to fund their response to the COVID-19 crisis.

“But the underlying trends that have been accelerated by this point to a greener and more tech-based world as we move into the 2030s.”

China's skillful management of the pandemic
Is this report Chinese
 
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Funnily they have rushed through a few deals of late? I wonder why the great 27 would do that?

Because China is under economic pressure from America, so has caved in on a few of the details that they were having trouble agreeing on - don't think it was fishing though <laugh>
 
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Because China is under economic pressure from America, so has caved in on a few of the details that they were having trouble agreeing on - don't think it was fishing though <laugh>
I'm surprised how quickly the EU is approving deals of late? made the EU has lots of Rats/cats and Dogs?
 
Not often I agree with Keir Starmer, but he's right to point the finger at SNP and tell them they are voting NO in the hope that others will vote YES and save the country from a no deal at the end of the week.

It's an opportunity for them - the Scottish fishing industry is raging at the deal, saying that their quotas are going to be massively reduced by it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55470776

However, the fishing industry in Scotland are predominantly not SNP supporters, so voting against the deal plays into their hand.

Pure politics being played out here.
 
It's an opportunity for them - the Scottish fishing industry is raging at the deal, saying that their quotas are going to be massively reduced by it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55470776

However, the fishing industry in Scotland are predominantly not SNP supporters, so voting against the deal plays into their hand.

Pure politics being played out here.

Yes, it is politics the SNP are playing. The arguments the Scottish Fishing Industry are putting forward to say they've done badly look complicated, involving the right to lease and the benefits of annual negotiations. But the fact is, surely, after the five year transition period, all UK fisherfolk will benefit when EU quotas are reduced in UK waters. So the Scots are complaining about the transition period only, and particularly 2021. Seems a bit shortsighted
 
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Not often I agree with Keir Starmer, but he's right to point the finger at SNP and tell them they are voting NO in the hope that others will vote YES and save the country from a no deal at the end of the week.
Starmer started off badly but grew as it went along then was put down by May who had an excellent speech. Now we have that stupid fat Scottish 'Independence' bloke talking rubbish.
 
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Starmer started off badly but grew as it went along then was put down by May who had a n excellent speech. Now we have that stupid fat Scottish 'Independence' bloke talking rubbish.

Starmer doesn't have much choice but to back the deal, or face no deal. But at least he's doing it. The SNP bloke, Blackford, is simply on a mission, making a nuisance of himself until the Tories have had enough and give him his second referendum
 
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