There are enforceable laws that apply to the sea, just as there are to land. In the sea's case, by UN Convention. Territorial waters and EEZ's exist, even if they cannot be seen by the naked eye.
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There are enforceable laws that apply to the sea, just as there are to land. In the sea's case, by UN Convention. Territorial waters and EEZ's exist, even if they cannot be seen by the naked eye.
The fish police of the future is the kind of job creation brought about by Brexit the mainstream media refuse to inform you of.
Fishing is of miniscule importance to the UK economy, less than 0.1%.
Johnson and his supine cabinet will be triumphantly waving the flag when he gets some minor concession from the EU, though - in return for a much more significant concession on his part on LPF. The EU threatening 'our' fish has been a negotiating ploy, pressing the gammon-coloured buttons of the jingoists that Johnson has to placate.
We've disagreed on this before. The fishing element is hugely important to French fishermen's livelihoods and therefore to Macron and his prospect of seeing off Marine Le Pen at the next GE
Yes, and you were wrong before.
Of course there are small parts of the EU for whom fishing is important, but they can be bought off.
It's a non-issue, and they'll give Johnson his pyrrhic victory on it in return for LPF, which is the real issue.
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This is what the once great Labour Party has become.
The man who took the 2007 Borders Act through parliament - requiring the Home Secretary to deport foreign national offenders - now wants these criminals on Britain's streets.
@pritipatel
This is what the once great Labour Party has become.
The man who took the 2007 Borders Act through parliament - requiring the Home Secretary to deport foreign national offenders - now wants these criminals on Britain's streets.
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It’s important we manufacture yet another culture war to distract from the objectively awful job we’re doing at the stuff that actually affects you and your families and remind our Little Englander voter base that if Labour get in they’ll be moving a Syrian refugee into your spare bedroom.
Strong words for someone so prone to attention-seeking tantrums about forum etiquette. Enjoy your day off.
Yes, and you were wrong before.
Of course there are small parts of the EU for whom fishing is important, but they can be bought off.
It's a non-issue, and they'll give Johnson his pyrrhic victory on it in return for LPF, which is the real issue.
LPF is a huge issue, but you underestimate the importance of fishing to the Northern European states particularly France.
If Boris doesn't do the best for UK fisherman, he'll lose a huge amount of voter support, particularly Red Wall. The same for Macron if he doesn't do the same for French fishermen - he cannot be seen to sell them out
Yes, but it's true, Watford. Your philosophy seems to be :
- anything, anywhere beyond the UK borders - wonderful and beyond reproach.
- anything within the UK borders, thick as mince, utterly incapable, doomed to failure, gammon country
Not at all. Obviously I strongly oppose the ideology this government is pursuing, in my opinion to pander to a small-ish number of people who for various reasons are hell-bent on a ‘pure’ Brexit there’s absolutely no mandate for plus their own personal gain.
There are some great people and things about this country but I have real reservations about the long term damage this lot are doing to our reputation globally and to our institutions such as the judiciary. The constant “us v them” whether it be judges or Labour or immigrants or the EU is really not far now from genuine fascism, IMO. There’s a concerted effort to break down any brakes on their power.
For what it’s worth, while I clearly disagree with you on a lot and we have very different politics, I appreciate that you make your points with logic and don’t just go for blind nationalism.
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Well, that's good to hear and thanks for the last paragraph.
We're a very long way from genuine fascism because we are not a one party state and have general elections every 5 years. It is true, however, that when the UK electorate votes in a government on the huge scale that the Tories were voted in, there is a temptation by that government to rule by cabal, ie the prime minister using just a few close advisors to make decisions, rather than by reference to his own MP's, let alone Parliament as a whole. It's not a particularly Tory-thing. Blair did it in his heyday and it was known as "sofa government."
With the departure of Cummings and Cain, I think we will see Boris in more consultative mode with his own MP's anyway. Personally, I do believe the powers of the Supreme Court should be curbed to ensure that unelected representatives from an elite profession cannot interfere with the processes of an elected parliament. I also believe if immigrants come into the country and rape and murder people, they should be kicked out after serving their sentence. As for the EU, it does really look like the UK's relationship with it will be determined by what happens over the next few days...
All good and can't fault most of that, Johnson, in my opinion is way out of his depth and will be guided.. it's who he chooses to guide him might be the problem, also the UK must on that basis take Begum back on the basis of immigrants being removed. Not saying you, but it's an inconsistency in opinion I often see.