Not being top of the league for excess deaths and economic decline would be a reasonable start.
Who has claimed locking down earlier wouldn’t have saved lives?
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Not being top of the league for excess deaths and economic decline would be a reasonable start.
Who has claimed locking down earlier wouldn’t have saved lives?
in some article, I read. Don't ask me to put it up as it was some time back... however, I remember it was at the time where someone said if we had locked down a week earlier it would have halved the death toll and this article said you cannot prove that. Actually, when I have a spare minute I will try and find it.
Not being able to prove it and it not being true aren’t the same thing.
It seems pretty basic logic given you’re dealing with an exponentially-growing virus when left to do its thing and the infection level in countries that did lock down closer to their first case that it would have made a significant impact.
Locking down earlier may well have caused more deaths due to the NHS (ridiculously) being shut down even earlier.
There are horrendous stories coming out now concerning cancer deaths etc that could have been avoided. These can only increase as time goes by.
Well the flip side of your true and proving it are the same. Just because it works in one country doesn’t mean it works in all?
I’m not a scientist Watford. I read what the experts say and make a judgement. I’m not calling either way Because we will never know.
But you are choosing to believe one random article from god knows what source which goes against the overwhelming body of evidence and opinion.
Johnson also came out in public and declared the pandemic an opportunity to get ahead of our neighbours economically. Sort of suggests he wasn’t taking it all that seriously.
As I said, we will never know. Experts get things wrong all the time. Wasn’t we supposed to be having 500k deaths at one point? On another note wasn't everyones first born going to be blind if we left the EU?
besides... you tell me where I said I believed the article? I never said that. I was stating what someone had written.
I need to give you back that shovel.
500k may have been the upper limit of an estimate based on not locking down or going for our originally preferred route of herd immunity which turned out to be basically impossible to achieve which only further suggests locking down late had a negative impact.
To cheer you all up and give you all a laugh at my misery......
Just back from a week away, staying at my mates caravan at Naish on the south coast. Really nice trip and some stunning cliff top views as I went on my daily run.
Yesterday we decided to go ‘Crabbing’ at Mudeford Quay which the kids at first weren’t to keen to do but once they started we’re really enjoying it so I did the fatherly thing and took a nice family photo to remember the occasion, as they lowered their nets into the dark water for the first time, putting my I-phone securely in my top jacket pocket (you might see where this is going).
Twin 1 and 2 shouted with joy when they caught their first crab, and with them being a bit nervous I lent down to pick it out of the net and put it in their bucket........sadly I suddenly realised I hadn’t zipped up my jacket pocket and said iPhone, seemingly to me anyway, fell out in slow motion and hit the floor once before bouncing off into the murky water, vanishing out of sight never to be seen again.
To say I’m pissed off is putting it mildly and I can’t even blame anyone else but my self.
Does anyone know if EVERYTHING gets downloaded on to the cloud ? Things like notes you’ve made etc ?
Just back from a week away, staying at my mates caravan at Naish on the south coast. Really nice trip and some stunning cliff top views as I went on my daily run.
Yesterday we decided to go ‘Crabbing’ at Mudeford Quay which the kids at first weren’t to keen to do but once they started we’re really enjoying it so I did the fatherly thing and took a nice family photo to remember the occasion, as they lowered their nets into the dark water for the first time, putting my I-phone securely in my top jacket pocket (you might see where this is going).
Twin 1 and 2 shouted with joy when they caught their first crab, and with them being a bit nervous I lent down to pick it out of the net and put it in their bucket........sadly I suddenly realised I hadn’t zipped up my jacket pocket and said iPhone, seemingly to me anyway, fell out in slow motion and hit the floor once before bouncing off into the murky water, vanishing out of sight never to be seen again.
To say I’m pissed off is putting it mildly and I can’t even blame anyone else but my self.
Does anyone know if EVERYTHING gets downloaded on to the cloud ? Things like notes you’ve made etc ?
I just found these while trying to locate that article. So are we saying according to these stories that if we had locked down 1-3 earlier then more people would die because of it? You can’t have it both ways Watford. As for the shovel... you can keep it mate.
Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, government report shows
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/
Coronavirus: For every three COVID-19 deaths, lockdown may have caused another two
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ly-caused-16-000-excess-deaths-study-12044923
I can have it both ways as both highlight the government’s incompetence, unfortunately.
There was no need to turn the NHS into a de facto Covid Health Service if it wasn’t so chronically short even in a normal year. They chose to cut back massively on pandemic preparation, which we were apparently one of the best in the world for, choosing instead to focus spend on sexier, more headline-grabbing endeavours. There are political choices going back a decade or more that led to this.
Bloody hell Staines sorry re phone. I went crabbing once in Watchet with my son some years back with one of those crabbing devises and caught ‘jaws crab’. It scared me as it came in and I ended up dropping everything down the rocks into the water! Bloody hate crabs
Well one was Sky News so they are never going to say anything nice about the government?
I think my kids and step kids have always said that everything on an iPhone is saved to the cloud.
I've always had android so have no idea.
Steels will know I reckon.
No idea, never had an iPhone, never want one! Too many blocks by Apple - Android lets you hack your device and run unauthorised apps and stream illegal content (live football for instance!)....
I'll ask my son when he gets in from work, as he's got an iPhone 10....
Lol wow.
Our country is doing one of the worst in deaths and economy but nothing to do with how the country is run.
You cant prove anything boys as you know you can't turn back time and rerun
Imagine blair using that, if he properly equipped our troops there might be more deaths because they would feel more brave and ambitious. You cant disprove this theory either
Our country is doing one of the worst in deaths and economy but nothing to do with how the country is run.
You cant prove anything boys as you know you can't turn back time and rerun
Imagine blair using that, if he properly equipped our troops there might be more deaths because they would feel more brave and ambitious. You cant disprove this theory either
Old hat and boring now. When he started off he was quite funny... now he is another moaning liberal.