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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Willhoops said:
No it's not.... but the action of some ****s shouldn't distract or be an answer from what that post is saying... and it's true
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Explain to me Wills what the post is saying exactly and the meaning behind it....am I as an individual met to feel guilty for the actions of others ? Or is it that I’m not doing enough to combat racism ? If that’s the case then please tell me what I can do more....I’m interested
 
Staines R's said:
Explain to me Wills what the post is saying exactly and the meaning behind it....am I as an individual met to feel guilty for the actions of others ? Or is it that I’m not doing enough to combat racism ? If that’s the case then please tell me what I can do more....I’m interested
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It's showing that racial equality is still a big issue, and we should support action to address this. Granted it's not that simple, it's not a matter of reparations, and it has more to do with poverty than anything else, however due to world history certain ethnicities are more likely to be in the poverty trap and not gain the advantages afforded to others.

Racism has never gone away and is still an issue and steps need to continue to address this. MLK did a lot of great work... sixty years ago and whilst the world has definitely moved on the balance is still well and truly skewed.

No you shouldn't feel guilty for the actions of others, just be responsible for your own. For me it's important I recognise the issues still exist, support measures wherever possible to address this and stand up to bigotry be that racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia.. etc..
 
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Staines R's said:
Explain to me Wills what the post is saying exactly and the meaning behind it....am I as an individual met to feel guilty for the actions of others ? Or is it that I’m not doing enough to combat racism ? If that’s the case then please tell me what I can do more....I’m interested
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Not applying this to you Stainesy, but as this guy says, 'Not being racist is not enough'.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/ibram-x-kendi-on-why-not-being-racist-is-not-enough
 
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Willhoops said:
It's showing that racial equality is still a big issue, and we should support action to address this. Granted it's not that simple, it's not a matter of reparations, and it has more to do with poverty than anything else, however due to world history certain ethnicities are more likely to be in the poverty trap and not gain the advantages afforded to others.

Racism has never gone away and is still an issue and steps need to continue to address this. MLK did a lot of great work... sixty years ago and whilst the world has definitely moved on the balance is still well and truly skewed.

No you shouldn't feel guilty for the actions of others, just be responsible for your own. For me it's important I recognise the issues still exist, support measures wherever possible to address this and stand up to bigotry be that racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia.. etc..
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Whilst undoubtably racism still exists in the UK, it is a million times better than when I was growing in London in the 70s/80s. Nowadays, I can't speak for you down there, but it appears to be far more integrated.

Up here, I'd like to think that racism and racist attacks are fairly low (although where I live has the lowest non-indigenous population in the UK). There's an attitude of inclusion within Scotland, where you are encouraged, no matter on your ethnicity, to actively be involved in community rather than isolate yourselves into your own ethnic groups. There are enclaves of Syrians, Rwandans, Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans in Glasgow, but you never feel uneasy when working around their areas, unlike some of the native ganglands (although even that has calmed down due to the initiative by the Police and Public Health Scotland - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-45572691). Unfortunately we still have neandethals who live in the 17th century and carry out Scetarian attacks....
 
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Willhoops said:
It's showing that racial equality is still a big issue, and we should support action to address this. Granted it's not that simple, it's not a matter of reparations, and it has more to do with poverty than anything else, however due to world history certain ethnicities are more likely to be in the poverty trap and not gain the advantages afforded to others.

Racism has never gone away and is still an issue and steps need to continue to address this. MLK did a lot of great work... sixty years ago and whilst the world has definitely moved on the balance is still well and truly skewed.

No you shouldn't feel guilty for the actions of others, just be responsible for your own. For me it's important I recognise the issues still exist, support measures wherever possible to address this and stand up to bigotry be that racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia.. etc..
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And that’s exactly what I do.........
 
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Trump inviting Putin to the next G7 summit, along with Boris - cosy friends reunion?


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Downing Street has said that talks are ongoing about Boris Johnson’s attendance at a G7 summit hosted by the US, which Donald Trump may invite Russia’s Vladimir Putin to join as a non-member.

The Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “We remain in close contact with the US about their plans for the summit, the hosting arrangements are a matter for the host country.”

Asked if the PM would be happy for Mr Putin to be invited, the spokesman said: “We will look at the detail of what the US is proposing. It’s customary for the country that holds the G7 presidency to invite other leaders to participate as guests in the summit.

“Decisions on G7 membership need to be made unanimously by all G7 leaders. Russia was removed from the G7 group of nation following its annexation of Crimea and we’re yet to see evidence of its changed behaviour that would justify its re-admittance

“We wouldn’t support it being readmitted as a member of the group.

“Russia should not be readmitted to the G7 unless it ceases the aggressive and destabilising activity that threatens the safety of UK citizens and the collective security of our allies.”
 
Stroller said:
I call out racism in others whenever I encounter it, as I'm confident you do.
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I do......I also try to influence those I can not to make the errors I have made in the past...but that’s just what we as individuals, whichever race we were born as, should do.
What I won’t do, as it seems I’m being asked to from SM, is to apologise for the actions of others or apologise for my colour.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
Whilst undoubtably racism still exists in the UK, it is a million times better than when I was growing in London in the 70s/80s. Nowadays, I can't speak for you down there, but it appears to be far more integrated.

Up here, I'd like to think that racism and racist attacks are fairly low (although where I live has the lowest non-indigenous population in the UK). There's an additude of inclusion within Scotland, where you are encouraged, no matter on your ethnicity, to actively be involved in community rather than isolate yourselves into your own ethnic groups. There are enclaves of Syrians, Rwandans, Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans in Glasgow, but you never feel uneasy when working around their areas, unlike some of the native ganglands (although even that has calmed down due to the initiative by the Police and Public Health Scotland - www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-45572691). Unfortunately we still have neandethals who live in the 17th century and carry out Scetarian attacks....
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I'm a young whippersnapper so can't comment so much on the 70s other than what I have heard and read. I'd agree that in certain aspects racism have changed dramatically, in regards to attacks and interaction, I think the major issues that remain are the old (white) boys clubs that sit at the top of industries, which I'd admit are changing slowly, but more importantly due to socioeconomic factors that generation after generation are born into poverty and the profiling due to that, because of historic factors it means if you are born into a certain ethnicity you are more likely to be born into the poverty trap, where as those born into wealth will get advantages and have chances to succeed well beyond their potential, clearly demonstrated to our current PM and the US president.

Unbelievably some believe that ethnicity can be directly effect patterns of behaviour, I've seen enough of that on other 606boards it's frightening that people could be so ignorant, but there you go. I strongly believe the racist/bigoted element whilst lower in numbers has definitely still been alive and kicking in society and as become more prevalent in the last decade due to certain public figures, including politicians using empowering rhetoric giving bigots a voice. The likes of Tommeh Robinson and Farage being two of the biggest agitators, both making careers out of bigotry and fear
 
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I don't think ethnicity is a cause of being born into the poverty trap, there's plenty of white folk born poor as well. It may be easier to get out of the poverty trap if you are white, but I'm not so sure on that - it would depend on how driven the individual is, and there's plenty of lazy as **** white people around who are happy to take handouts whilst our immigrants can be hard working and get themselves on the career ladder.

Current political rhetoric certainly hasn't helped heal any divisions, and areas with large numbers of immigrants are being targetted by the likes of Farage, and there may well be an element of racism in their attitudes, but for the benefit of the doubt I'd say they are leaning more towards nativism (i was going to use xenophobic) which is obviously almost as bad. I'd like to think that in the 21st century we've moved on from what we were 40 years ago - you only have to see the scenes at the last England away game to see how far we've come compared to Eastern Europe, but we still have a way to go until everyone is viewed through the same pair of eyes with no prejudice, and no matter how many Starbucks or Footlockers you smash up, it's not going to change that overnight.
 
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